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Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by tonyhart7 »

jack_tripper wrote: post #462
tonyhart7 wrote: post #425

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I think it's just that HN audiences is generally detached from the harsh reality of the "money people" who make these purchasing choices and are generally choosing the safe low friction option, that lets the business free to focus on product development and sales that are the core of business, rather than wasting resources on building and managing IT infra from FOSS scratch for the sake of avoiding $BIG_TECH. If your…

I also didn't understand where sentiment of the same industry that promote SaaS for their niche tool comes from

like this is YC sponsored site, there is a tons of SaaS for niche toolkit that people sold,shares etc

and now all of sudden they hate it when other people doing the same thing they do

Re: Microsoft increases Office 365 and Microsoft 365 license prices

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Post by RedShift1 »

jdietrich wrote: post #368
amanzi wrote: post #240

Here in NZ, pretty much all medium/large businesses and govt departments have gone all-in with M365. Most govt departments are on the E5 licence, and have also started to roll out the Copilot licences too. The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. It's not just using a different version of Excel and Word - that's the least of the issues. It's all the data stored in SharePoin…

To reiterate a crucial point in this comment, replacing the Office apps is the least of the issues. Enterpise customers rely on 365 for identity management, endpoint protection, business intelligence and a whole bunch of other stuff that the average user pays no attention to. We aren't talking about replacing an office suite, but an entire model of IT infrastructure management.

We're back in the mainframe times boys, good luck everyone.

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Post by lenkite »

MangoToupe wrote: post #344
lll-o-lll wrote: post #342

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One word. Cloud. Sharepoint, onedrive, teams. Everything is integrated and collaborating is trivial. You can’t replicate that with open source.

Ok, but surely google docs does that just as well or even better? I have never even heard of sharepoint and onedrive!

I can believe you not hearing about Sharepoint. But not hearing about Onedrive is basically impossible if you have used a Windows machine in the last decade.

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Post by 1718627440 »

lomase wrote: post #440
1718627440 wrote: post #429

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Distributed databases are a solved problem (besides maybe performance). Offloading account management to arbitrary databases too. Why everyone is using Microsoft is, because then they have someone to blame, instead of needing to point at themselves.

ActiveDirectory is million times better than any other solution on the market.

You do you. Last time I needed it, setting up libpam-mysql was fairly quick.

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Post by shevy-java »

We need to create an office suite that really allows us to get rid of those milking corporations. I am not just thinking LibreOffice - I am actually thinking that an office suite can be used globally AND can also be at the least in part be co-funded by governments. The exact amount and procedure I omit here (can be many things), but it is no longer acceptable that a single greedy corporation keeps on milking schools for money.

(To those wondering why not LibreOffice - I am not saying not LibreOffice; but I am not sure how well LibreOffice's model fits to e. g. having a suite of office-related software that can be employed by every government, school, university, company etc... perhaps the code base is not well-written. Do we already have the co-editing functionality online? So that I could modify the document of an elderly person and then create a .pdf file. I can do so locally of course, but I want to be able to modify that on another, approved before-hand computer. Right now I have to carry an USB stick, and then modify locally, which is also possible, but I'd much prefer in-built solutions here. This is just one example of many many more. We need an improved LibreOffice here.)

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Post by chii »

1718627440 wrote: post #475
lomase wrote: post #440

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ActiveDirectory is million times better than any other solution on the market.

You do you. Last time I needed it, setting up libpam-mysql was fairly quick.

And setting up things like rsync to replace dropbox is also "fairly quick"!

The point isn't that but the fact that like a normal user, a normal business don't want to have to tinker with low level components to get the functionality they want. They desire to pay and get a working piece of infrastructure with low hassle (tho i get saying active directory being low hassle is weird).

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Post by zelphirkalt »

wvenable wrote: post #243
amanzi wrote: post #240

Here in NZ, pretty much all medium/large businesses and govt departments have gone all-in with M365. Most govt departments are on the E5 licence, and have also started to roll out the Copilot licences too. The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. It's not just using a different version of Excel and Word - that's the least of the issues. It's all the data stored in SharePoin…

> The cost and complexity and the effort required to switch away from M365 is massive. I'd say further to that is there literally isn't a similar product that exists to switch to. Nobody has developed a real alternative. It seems like most companies are more than willing to leave this entire market to Microsoft.

No one has developed a full alternative in one package. That's because some of the practices are really bad and shouldn't be solved the way the GP describes they are solved. Data stored in SharePoint, the worst MS tool ever maybe, is one example. O e wouldn't build another SharePoint, because why make something that sucks so much and then store data in it? It is moronic to do that.

And the GP is right in that the more moronic stuff people do, the harder it gets for them to no longer do that and somehow extract all their data into usable and useful form. Microsoft will happily go on making bad products, if that keeps its users prisoners.

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Post by hex-m »

zoobab wrote: post #426
dijit wrote: post #421

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LibreOffice definitely feels sluggish. I give it a pass because it's doing complicated things, it's free software and I also temper my expectations slightly because it's a Java GUI application (and I expect those to be slow). I would certainly not expect it to be more performant than Office '97.

Being written in Java there is no surprise here.

If you want LibreOffice with less Java, you should try Collabora Office. https://www.collaboraonline.com/blog/collabora-online-now-av... (I'm not affiliated)

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Post by carlosjobim »

jimnotgym wrote: post #269
carlosjobim wrote: post #226

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> The Venn diagram of their customer base and Hacker News commenters doesn’t have much overlap. You're completely right about this. But how does the Venn diagram look for features between different Office versions and for customer needs? Another commenter here said that Office 98 is good enough for most users, and I have to agree. What reason is there today for somebody to upgrade from a 10 or 15 year old version of…

> What reason is there today for somebody to upgrade from a 10 or 15 year old version of Office? Collaborative editing

From what I understand, this was introduced in Office 2010. But maybe it wasn't good enough?
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