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Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by mpbart »

organsnyder wrote: post #463
bityard wrote: post #418

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> while most cars nowadays have zinc coating and more plastic and are still mostly fine after 15 years. In your part of the world, maybe. I live in the middle of the salt belt in the US and we get about 10 years out of most cars. That's when you start seeing rust holes in the fenders around the wheels, when most of the frame has flaked away and the floor pans become involuntary structural elements. If you're a car nu…

I have a 2009 Civic that has no noticeable body rust, despite being in Michigan. Two times I've had to get minor body work done (not rust-related), the bodyshop owner commented that he never sees them this clean anymore. I chalk it up to being diligent with car washes, especially in the winter. Purists will cringe at this, but I'm fine with sacrificing some surface appearance (the paint doesn't look too bad, consider…

Which part of Michigan are you in? I know some people that live up in northern Michigan where they don't bother salting the roads in the winter and just put down sand instead which I would imagine contributes to better longevity

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by dzhiurgis »

lifty wrote: post #199
cyberax wrote: post #165

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I was quoted $15k in a Tesla service center for a Model 3 battery replacement, with parts and labor.

Wait another year. CATL is destroying the battery market with their new LFP and sodium batteries. Prices are collapsing.

Sodium will take 15 years to catch up to LFP prices. Stop consuming hype.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by bdangubic »

fragmede wrote: post #46
bdangubic wrote: post #24

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as long as you don’t compare them to any car. teslas in 2025 belong in a museum lol I own tesla s 2014, my neighbour has 2025, same car. tesla x was cool… in 2017. tesla 3 is like a worse looking kia and model y is like if you took tesla 3 and pumped some air in it.

If all you care about is looks, that is. Get out of any other car and you forget you can't just walk away from it and it'll shut itself off and lock the doors. I've had my Tesla driving friends drive my ICE car, and then not even turn off the engine when they go into the store because you don't need to do that with a Tesla.

> If all you care about is looks, that is

wrote myself a reminder I need to make sure to spend $90k on the car when I become senile to forget to turn it off

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by dzhiurgis »

Beijinger wrote: post #440
cryptoegorophy wrote: post #434

Buying non Tesla EVs doesn’t make any practical sense.

Why?

You'll most likely be overpaying for overall package, not get the advanced software and will be forced to pay insane yearly service fee.

Then there's whole long term thing - very little spare parts availability cuz most EVs are niche models, some already ceased to exist, service tools not available or insanely overpriced.

Some like Kia/Hyundai are notoriously unreliable to begin with.

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Post by jazzyjackson »

BobaFloutist wrote: post #410
Gravityloss wrote: post #378

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Porsche had a research program about a very reliable car in the 70s. It has some odd technical choices from today's perspective. https://www.hagerty.com/media/automotive-history/when-porsch... One would assume taxi companies etc would be willing to pay for cars that have high uptime and reliability. But I think they drive mostly the same stuff as regular people. At least one would assume they could get beefier suspen…

I don't think it's a coincidence that an enormous number of rideshare/delivery drivers drive priuses though. Reliable, not too expensive, low maintenance, and high mpg is kind of exactly what you'd expect them to look for.

Not enough people know how cool the Prius hybrid system is. One would think having EV + gas would add complexity, but it actually allows them to delete a lot of parts. There is no clutch, no belts, no starter, there's practically nothing that can break. Not knowing how the regen affects braking I brought my Prius in for 80k service and asked for new brake pads and mechanic asked me why I want to replace them, they look good as new.

Only downside is the flimsy high efficiency tires, I've spent more money on tows and tires than I saved on gas.

Re: BMW PHEV: Safety fuse replacement is extremely expensive

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Post by dzhiurgis »

drnick1 wrote: post #459
dzhiurgis wrote: post #259

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Tesla is leading in car privacy, look at mozilla's report.

Oh that's very comforting, the leader in car privacy knows where I am at all times because it needs that information for self-driving.

Self driving is offline

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Post by threetonesun »

eszed wrote: post #108
gkanai wrote: post #61

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I would argue peak car was a little earlier, maybe the 2000-2010 decade. Fewer screens to fail, analog buttons and dials. Airbags, and ABS for safety but without the additional computers/screens.

Entirely agree, although I think it varies by make / model. Roughly look for whenever a particular car got OBDII, which makes diagnostics way easier (and was kinda the perfect level of digitization, again in my opinion), through (as you say) whenever they started digitizing the cockpit and/or (which oddly - maybe? - coincide, in my experience) manufacturers stopped considering ease of maintenance in engineering decis…

Mid 2008s saw a lot of cost cutting after the financial crisis, and then some very weird engineering decisions to deal with increased efficiency laws that made for much more complicated engines and transmissions even in smaller cars, if the smaller cars even continued to exist.

Early 2000s JDM coupes will always hold a soft spot in my heart, even though they've mostly rotted away at this point. I used to say I was into cars but these days there's nothing that inspires me at all, I'd be happy just to have a reliable electric box with 4 wheels.

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Post by neuralRiot »

jinzo wrote: post #166
CraigJPerry wrote: post #124

€4000 euros plus tax to replace the module that contains the fuse. Insane. The ford transit custom PHEV costs £4500 to replace the timing belt. Access issues mean dropping the hybrid battery and parts of the sub frame. Compare with the mk8 transit, i've done the wet belt myself on that and it requires no special tools (well, i bought a specific crank pulley puller for £20) and can be done in a day on the driveway. I…

Is it insane? I'm working in this field, and I know how quickly you can come up with such a number if you are BMW and you are deathly afraid that someone will get electrocuted while working on your car, driving it or rescuing someone in a crash. It's a safety and liability issue, where they go to great lengths to actually re-certify a battery after crash. The whole thing is setup so, that even the dummy electricians…

I also work in this field, and I feel manufacturers like to exaggerate the dangers as a liability umbrella, aside of disassembling the battery itself it’s very hard to even access the HV components in a dangerous way, every HV connector has an interlocking line that opens the battery internal contactor so other than hacking the HV line with a saw I don’t see how you could “touch” the live wires.

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

dotancohen wrote: post #356
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #200

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If you're in Europe, you can consider Dacia. A lot of their stuff is old Renault parts that they've bought a license to use/manufacture. Get a pre-2023 model with the 1.6 non-turbo non-hybrid petrol engine - it's actually a Nissan HR16DE, which has been in use since 2004. Very reliable and low complexity.

Is it using that Nissan/Renault CVT? That transmission is notorious junk. I must say that I've been impressed with Dacia. Even the build quality is excellent - on par or beating VW. I've driven on Romanian roads so I can see why they would prioritize such high build quality.

You can get them with a manual transmission, or a dual-clutch automatic, or CVT. AFAIK, the manuals are all decent, although the 6 speed manual on the 4WD models has quite low ratios (no transfer case) so it doesn't have great fuel economy at highway speeds.

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Post by [deleted] »

Beijinger wrote: post #441
fsh wrote: post #233

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This is like comparing a Casio to a Rolex. Both do roughly the same thing, but the markets are completely different. Nobody buys a high-end luxury car like a Taycan because it makes financial sense. The manufacturers know this and price everything accordingly.

You realize that most Ferraris don't decrease, but increase in value over time?

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