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Post by M95D »

mikkupikku wrote: post #226
Lendal wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manufacturing and automation is another big one. Think about a water plant that is air-gapped but needs computer automation software to run. These things are everywhere, in every town that has indoor plumbing and sewer. The specialized software that automates these plants only runs on Windows. It relies on industrial hardware and touchscreens that are designed for use in harsh outdoor environments. All of these types…

Most of that stuff is probably still running windows 98 or XP. If it's airgapped, and it works, and it controls a million dollar piece of equipment, then management will tell anybody suggesting it be updated to the newest windows version to stfu. Also, the extent to which windows is needed to accommodate uneducated operators is overstated. A lot of industrial equipment runs other oddball operating systems configured…

I work in a lab. Let me give you some ideea of what's happening:

- Some machines use embedded MCUs with no operating systems. I haven't seen one of these in the last 15 years. The last DNA extraction machine we got (a glorified sample shaker with 2 stepper motors) runs Win10! It has no keyboard, no network, and absolutely no ports of any kind (or at least not accessible without dissasembling the machine). A 8051 could do the job and still have memory left for Pong. [1]

- Very old machines run MSDOS and a proprietary software that directly talks to hardware ISA boards via I/O ports - no drivers. That software can't be ported to Windows2000+ because of the same reasons DOS games can't run in Win2000 - the kernel won't allow direct hardware access. Linux doens't allow it either.

- Newer machines run Windows 2000/XP/7/10, many of them offline. Some of them were updated to run Win10 from older versions, with the same app version (just Windows updated).

- Since Win10 can no longer be bought, newer machines run Win11 with permanent internet connection and they are minimally customized - the vendors left all ads, Copilot, Store and the kitchen sink installed. It's atrocious to work with those, but nobody cares. The management that make the decisions to buy the machines never ever touch them or even see them, and they don't take advice or feedback from us (or anyone else but accounting).

[1] https://gentechbio.com/en/producto/panamax-48/

Re: YouTube is taking down videos on performing nonstandard Windows 11 installs

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Post by sgjohnson »

bigyabai wrote: post #446
sgjohnson wrote: post #215

When the $699 MacBook launches, oh boy it's going to sell well.

People say this every time. There were people on HN who thought the M1 Macbook Air would permanently cannibalize PC market share, and basically nothing happened: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_share_of_personal_compu...

It won't "cannibalize" the PC market share. But I would argue that the overall market share is irrelevant. Most people don't even use Adblock/UBlock for Web browsing, so they don't even know what's best for them, and therefore are likely to just go for the cheapest option that gets the job done. Apple won't win them over, because that's not how Apple operates.

Another huge segment is people who just use whatever their work provides.

Laptop users who 1. care enough, 2. have the means, and 3. have the inclination to even get a personal laptop are a solid minority. Which coincidentally is how Microsoft gets away with the disaster that Windows 11 is. They have about _no_ user-customers left.

I know plenty of PC-hardliners that have switched from Windows to a Mac in recent years. And exactly nobody who has switched in the opposite direction.

I'm also pretty sure that most people who have personal laptops keep them around for 5+ years before upgrading. I myself had a 2015 15" MacBook Pro that lasted me until 2022 when Ventura support was cut off. I only upgraded it in 2023 when Apple launched Advanced Data Protection, which I was very keen to use, and had to make a choice between logging out of iCloud or buying a new MacBook. So seeing that the 2015 model had indeed reached it's useful life for me, I got myself a M2 Max 16", which I also fully expect will last me 7+ years.

So as long as IT procurement in most companies will keep buying whatever cheap PC laptops they can by weight, PC market share is safe, and Microsoft is doing the best they can to keep it that way. Apple can only compete for users who have the will and the choice. And the $699 MacBook will quite likely capture a few of them.

Additionally - I have a PC too. All it does is it runs videogames. In fact I use my personal PC a lot more often than I use my personal MacBook.

Re: YouTube is taking down videos on performing nonstandard Windows 11 installs

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Post by hilbert42 »

GaryBluto wrote: post #458
breve wrote: post #2

The solution is to run Linux. KDE is a good desktop environment: https://kde.org/ 90% of Windows games run on Linux: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45736925 LibreOffice is an okay office suite (good enough for my purposes): https://www.libreoffice.org/ GIMP is a good image editor: https://www.gimp.org/ VLC is a good media player: https://www.videolan.org/vlc/

> GIMP is a good image editor: https://www.gimp.org/ Modern GIMP doesn't have the features that Photoshop 6.0 had 25 years ago, and GIMP had a 5 year head-start on it.

Yeah, right. I've the latest GIMP 3 on both Windows and Linux and an old CS4 Photoshop which I stopped updating years ago because of Adobe's ripoff prices and I continually find myself falling back to Photoshop because it's easier to use than GIMP (I'd prefer to switch to GIMP completely if it were easier to use).

Unfortunately, the authoritarian PIAs that develop GIMP have a rigid and inflexible mindset that stop GIMP becoming the default for millions of Photoshop users and or those who cannot afford Adobe's outrageous prices, and those who can no longer accept its draconian licensing terms.

In short, millions would switch to GIMP on Linux if it worked 'properly'.

I don't know why the Linux community doesn't put more pressure on GIMP's developers to comform. The percentage of Linux desktop users would increase considerably if they would.

Look at it this way: here's just one GIMP issue that turns away Photoshop users: why did GIMP's developers remove the perfectly functioning Fade feature in GIMP?

Yes, I know their stated reason and I also know the workaround but it's a damned nuisance to use.

By removing the Fade feature GIMP's 'high minded' developers have effectively done what mathematical types tried to do with the calculator when they introduced RPN/Reverse Polish Notation in place of the standard way of entering data.

Except for mathematicians, engineers, etc. RPN failed spectacularly—sure it is better but just too hard for mere mortals to grasp.

The bloodymindedness of GIMP's developers are deliberately holding back GIMP's adoption. They could have easily left Fade in place and just added their fancy sophisticated option for their propeller-head brethren to use.

Fixing some of GIMP's problems seems so obvious I sometimes think Adobe has placed a Trojan on GIMP's team to thwart competition.

Re: YouTube is taking down videos on performing nonstandard Windows 11 installs

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Post by Brett_Riverboat »

gverrilla wrote: post #9

How viable is it to stay in Win10?

If you practice good operational security and maintain a decent anti virus and fire wall you will probably be fine. I know people who still run Windows 7 to this day with no trouble because they are vigilant of what they are doing.

This isn't to say it's a good idea but that it can be done.

If you plan on running win 10 anyway Ask Leo has a video called "how to keep using windows 10 safely after support ends" with some solid advice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpAIOcYPYgo&list=TLPQMjkxMDI...

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Post by HKH2 »

kuschku wrote: post #450
HKH2 wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skew transform and other transforms. GIMP also has an excellent print interface. Krita doesn't have one at all.

> Skew transform and other transforms. Krita has them both destructively, and non-destructively as transform layers. What is it you're missing?

I think I might've got confused with Inkscape. I remember GIMP handles transforms very well.

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Post by 4ggr0 »

swader999 wrote: post #217
Y_Y wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What software do you have that doesn't work in a VM? Without going to extra effort the environment should be indistinguishable for the application.

For me it's ski race timing Software. Need a USB dongle and timing computer(a proprietary device that logs timestamps, prints and translates pulses offa wire into start and finish events to the PC Software) via USB. There's a lot of moving parts to manage, things like power to the USB, sleep etc. Bricking a ski race where thousands of volunteer, kid and coach hours have been spent in preparation for it is a nightmare…

i 100% get what you mean, it's still funny to me that you indirectly use a Windows update death spiral as an argument against using Linux :D

Re: YouTube is taking down videos on performing nonstandard Windows 11 installs

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Post by ratelimitsteve »

dylan604 wrote: post #350
ratelimitsteve wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it's easier to monetize a video, and if this information is going to have value and be presented for free there has to be someone giving someone money somewhere.

Suggesting someone can make money off of their efforts that doesn't cost the viewer/reader anything directly is one thing, but to suggest nobody anywhere ever posts anything to the internet without the expectation of monetizing it is just totally ignoring how the internet was started.

no one is talking about the entire internet starting from 1976, we're talking about the tech tips space in 2025 where a vanishingly small percentage of people are acting in a non-monetizable way.

Re: YouTube is taking down videos on performing nonstandard Windows 11 installs

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Post by 101008 »

ksherlock wrote: post #288
101008 wrote: post #142

They have been taking down a lot of YouTube videos with Bob Dylan botlegs in the recent days, so maybe the platform is becoming more restrictive with everything, not just Windows 11 installs

The Bootleg Series Volume 18: Through The Open Window, 1956-1963 will be released on Friday. If it's material in that timeframe, it's probably a Sony/Columbia DMCA issue or from google music file matching songs that are (soon to be) officially released.

Yeah, no, they've been taking down a lot of material that's not included in tthe new bootleg series.

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Post by TheCoelacanth »

a5c11 wrote: post #48

It's funny to see how Windows and Linux completely switched sides. Linux once being the clumsy one, hard to install, even harder to configure, mediocre UX, running on poor device drivers and requiring hours spent on the internet to solve a problem. Today, replace the "Linux" word with "Windows" in the previous sentence.

Installing windows has been harder than Linux for at least 15 years. Windows just came pre-installed for most people.
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