Newer versions or IRC utilize SSL/TLS on port 6697. I would download copies of open source client/server software (certificates can be self-signed). A Raspberry Pi can host a small chat server.
ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
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#474Earlier quoted context omitted.
> if you can read all communications But you can't. You can legally require messages to implement client side scanning before the encryption happens or add some backdoor keys and hope they don't leak. Since cryptography is known anybody can always just create messengers that just don't implement that requirement. If you sexually abuse children the hurdle to illegally running a non-backdoored messenger seems pretty lo…
> But you can't. Be careful what you wish for. We could enforce client-side scanning on the OS. Everything that appears on the screen is scanned and reported. > If you sexually abuse children the hurdle to illegally running a non-backdoored messenger seems pretty low to me. How do you contact children on mainstream messengers if you can't use mainstream messengers? Not to mention that most people consuming CSAM are n…
> Not to mention that most people consuming CSAM are not technically savvy. It is known that such material goes through mainstream messengers.
The reason is because it works. They're not stupid - they can use signal.
The reality is that the privacy options not only exist, they're really good - often better and easier to use than the mainstream stuff.
They will just pivot to other tools.
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#475Earlier quoted context omitted.
A large portion of the population either does not believe or does not mind the violations of our constitution to achieve their desired outcomes. As an American, it came as a surprise to me that we do not, in fact, have broadly shared values about our system of governance. This year has been a devastating blow to my confidence in our democracy and the ability of people to govern themselves generally.
> As an American, it came as a surprise to me that we do not, in fact, have broadly shared values about our system of governance. It shouldn't, America is two very distinct nations. The shape and nature of those nations vary wildly in classical Baudrilliardian sidewinding progression, but it's rooted in the very early history of British North America. Two distinct primogenitor colonies and societies, Jamestown and Pl…
I'm kinda struggling to understand how this relates to our makeup today. I can't find the thread.
What cultural group today is Jamestown and which is Plymouth?
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
>You can't even organize a resistance because all channels of communication are monitored. One of the awful things about this proposed legislation is that what I quoted you saying is not true. Software like PGP is easy to use, and criminals already do. The government has absolutely no possibility of breaking RSA the way things are now, and as such scanning all messages will do nothing other than prove more definitive…
Both apple and android are teeing their infra up to support deleting apps they don’t like. Windows is moving towards e2e attestation, and Mac is basically already there. Once that’s all done, you just need to enforce hardware manufacturers boot only into ‘trusted’ operating systems. No more Linux. No more unsigned execution. No more encryption.
Plausible, but then people will use old computers and/or fab their own and/or import from adversarial governments and accept the risk of hardware backdoors.
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#477Imagine a future where it becomes easier to commit terrorism because of some technological advancements—like smaller, less traceable bombs, or chemical weapons that are easily accessible and lead to higher casualties—like in the 1,000s or more. Imagine in that scenario, that the likelihood of you or someone you know becoming the victim of a terrorist attack is now non-trivial in your society. In a future where this b…
I think the reality is that as technology advanced for weapons, so too does it for information.
What I mean is, if we have super bombs or whatever, we would also certainly have unbreakable encryption. I mean, we have unbreakable encryption now basically.
So we're back to square one - terrorists terror, civilians are oppressed.
Also, if such weapons DO exist, the first people to use them would be government. Of which you cannot organize against, because you let them break your communications.
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#478Imagine a future where it becomes easier to commit terrorism because of some technological advancements—like smaller, less traceable bombs, or chemical weapons that are easily accessible and lead to higher casualties—like in the 1,000s or more. Imagine in that scenario, that the likelihood of you or someone you know becoming the victim of a terrorist attack is now non-trivial in your society. In a future where this b…
Imagine a future where the government is the terrorist.
Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps
#479I don't like this, but to be fair, Europe's history has been very bloody. It's a continent that knows all too well what the consequences are for radicalization. With the recent suspicious deaths of several AfD political leaders in Germany, it seems that the political fight is being fiercely fought today. Could this be what ChatControl is really about?
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Dear citizens of the US: Please stop funding, allying with and protecting the manufacturers of surveillance tools. Stop exporting Palantir products and importing privacy-destroying devices from businesses like Greyshift and Cellebrite. Insist that the US government stop shielding hackers-for-hire like NSO Group who indiscriminately lease their products for discriminatory and illegal purposes. Stop defending "OEM" con…
Collective guilt projection is incredibly unfair. What is the average US citizen expected to do in this? I hereby promise not to buy any weapons systems from Palantir or use Cellebrite if I forget my phone's PIN code. Am I one of the good ones now?
My point is to highlight the hypocrisy in HN casting stones from a glass house. I don't really believe you're beholden to fixing it (as I said, I'm a US citizen too). We just have to accept that the United States started this and is the only nation on Earth that can stop it. American surveillance technology is the role-model for abusive regimes and perfectly sensible governments around the world.