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Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by egorfine »

osigurdson wrote: post #355
egorfine wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

>> Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. How is Cloudflare gatekeeping things? I believe you but don't understand the mechanism.

You have never been banned by Cloudflare because of the wrong shape of your skull? You must be living in the US probably.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by ruperthair »

mobilio wrote: post #240
everfrustrated wrote: post #195

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Yup and why their share price has rocketed. Nobody in the CDN industry is making money - a large player went bankrupt recently. You don't want to look at Fastlys financials and share price Cloud is where the money is.

Yup https://stratechery.com/2021/cloudflares-disruption/

Interesting read, thanks! One almost LOL moment for me was at the end of this paragraph:

That is also an important part of AWS’s retention strategy: for most AWS customers the easiest solution to rising costs is to simply sign a long-term contract, dramatically decreasing their prices (again, Amazon has the margin to spare) while ensuring they stay on AWS that much longer, accumulating that much more data and relying on that many more AWS-specific services. Hotel Seattle, as it were.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by egorfine »

stickfigure wrote: post #304
egorfine wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

> It had much more freedom ...right up until you got DDoS'd off the internet by some script kiddie "for the lolz".

That's the flipside.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by DoctorOW »

otabdeveloper4 wrote: post #340
tavavex wrote: post #270

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It's both. In allowing Cloudflare to grow so big, we now have one huge universal button for governments to push. If instead all of these customers were dispersed over hundreds of different services from different countries, good luck with trying to keep them all in line with your specific country's whims.

Worse, governments can also just block Cloudflare's IP ranges wholesale - because Cloudflare is used to launder IP addresses for sites with shady and/or illegal content. Legitimate sites get blocked too, but most governments probably won't care.

Isn't this an argument in favor of centralization? Right now, those legitimate sites include many government websites which means that most governments do care. You know what IP block they definitely don't use? A tiny provider for DIY blogs or whatever.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by dotancohen »

stingraycharles wrote: post #68
mosura wrote: post #4

Eventually all Internet protocols will be MITMed by cloudflare. Your single point of interception!

To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

  > To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it.
Internet had problems before Cloudflare, but for the most part it was useable. Now, suddenly I've been getting IP blocked by Cloudflare on large swaths of websites. Cloudflare is a monopoly when you're a user trying to get to a website.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by lan321 »

DoctorOW wrote: post #460
_heimdall wrote: post #400

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Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? And no this is not an attempt to in anyway belittle what Nazi German did during WWII. Assuming the employee you are referring to has never been engaged in such acts, though, that feels like a very slippery slope.

> Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? Would you put a Nazi and a Jewish person in a room every day (or on a Zoom call or whatever) and expect something productive to happen? Well, no. It's a ticking timebomb. If you have an organization with multiple employees, they'll have to be people who can work together. So as a workplace, you need to either rid your empl…

If they can be professional, yeah? I have diverse private interests that don't really get mixed with work. Don't see why my political interests should. I've worked with people I don't personally like. It's more tiring since there's less chit chat but the work gets done all the same.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by dotancohen »

sneak wrote: post #457
_heimdall wrote: post #400

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Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? And no this is not an attempt to in anyway belittle what Nazi German did during WWII. Assuming the employee you are referring to has never been engaged in such acts, though, that feels like a very slippery slope.

Yes. Discrimination in hiring with regard to personal viewpoints (ie adult decisions, not built-in traits) is one of the best ways we have to shape society for the better. As private entities, we have freedom of association - including freedom to shun certain groups. Use it!

  > ie adult decisions, not built-in traits
What if my neighbor was born gay (can't help it), but I just decide that I want to try gay this week? Is it fine to discriminate against me, but not him? I made an adult choice this week.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by Manouchehri »

freetonik wrote: post #62

Finally. My two production projects are built entirely on Cloudflare workers platform, and I dread every time I have to login into AWS to manage SES. I even wrote a note for myself with instructions which buttons to press and where to navigate, like you'd write for your elderly relative who's "not good with technology".

I documented the process of using AWS SES from a Cloudflare Worker about a year ago.

https://www.ai.moda/en/blog/ses-emails-from-workers

Hopefully it’s helpful next time for you!

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by _heimdall »

DoctorOW wrote: post #460
_heimdall wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? And no this is not an attempt to in anyway belittle what Nazi German did during WWII. Assuming the employee you are referring to has never been engaged in such acts, though, that feels like a very slippery slope.

> Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? Would you put a Nazi and a Jewish person in a room every day (or on a Zoom call or whatever) and expect something productive to happen? Well, no. It's a ticking timebomb. If you have an organization with multiple employees, they'll have to be people who can work together. So as a workplace, you need to either rid your empl…

I don't care what religion or political views they have. Its a workplace, if either person can't check it at the door then that's the problem to deal with.

Honestly its pretty insulting to both of the people involved for you to assume so strongly that they couldn't be professional that (a) you never give them the chance and (b) you chose to hire only the one who you agree with (or disagree with the least).

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by dotancohen »

mschild wrote: post #427
_heimdall wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you arguing for a system where employers consider your political views before hiring you? And no this is not an attempt to in anyway belittle what Nazi German did during WWII. Assuming the employee you are referring to has never been engaged in such acts, though, that feels like a very slippery slope.

Part of being a Nazi means the sincere believe that the Aryan race is superior to all others and that eradicating them is a sensible goal. Thats not a political view. Its one of racism and finding genocide acceptable. I would sincerely hope that any sensible person would refuse to hire someone like this.

The Azov brigade are not Aryan.
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