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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

kelnos wrote: post #366
tsimionescu wrote: post #266

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The poster above was pointing out that this is a double standard. You don't expect a US citizen to risk their livelihood to help an Iranian, but you then expect an Iranian citizen to risk their livelihood AND life to topple a regime that is doing things that the USA doesn't like. So, you either take personal responsibility for enforcing sanctions yourself, or you admit that sanctions are a form of collective punishme…

I don't think that's the premise, though. The idea is that the sanctioned government will, under pressure from the sanctions, change without the need for regular citizens to start some sort of armed uprising. (Though certainly an armed uprising is a possible outcome.) Maybe the government will do this because the sanctions hurt their people enough to the point where things are too unstable for their liking. Maybe the…

>It's possible that sanctions have slowed down Russia's progress quite a bit.

They did slow down all kinds of progress in Russia except the progress towards the full blown fascism and the progress of the military complex at the expence of its citizens

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by thekingshorses »

adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

Interesting. So if you want to delete FB account and all your data, all you have to do is VPN from Iran?

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by alexey-salmin »

grumple wrote: post #420
bambax wrote: post #296

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It's also interesting if the comment comes from a US person, given that the US are primarily responsible for the political situation in Iran.

This is not true and is nonsensical. The Iranian regime is explicitly anti-American, and it was American inaction that allowed them to rise to power. If America had intervened during the revolution, they could have eliminated the regime in its infancy and saved half a century of headaches and many lives lost due to Iranian wars and terror proxies. The US also did not create political Islam, which predates the US by o…

> If America had intervened during the revolution

Well they did intervene during the 1952 revolution. The secular democratic government wasn't very convenient so they basically undid the revolution and reinstalled the Shah in power. Then the second time the Shah was overthrown, it was done by Islamists, not by the secular elected parliament.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by gizzlon »

spwa4 wrote: post #398
kelnos wrote: post #358

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> I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries... "You all" is a weird way of putting it. I don't support my government levying sanctions on these countries, but I have zero power to change it. It's funny, as the gist author points out that he doesn't support the actions of the Islamic Republic, and has no power to change i…

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> Either fight of the theocratic lunatics that benefit of your taxes and work, then you and all your countrymen will be welcomed into the modern world, or at least move to a place where your work no longer benefits theocratic lunatics.

Thanks! I will steal this quote and use it in response to Americans very soon

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by tpm »

DC-3 wrote: post #441
tpm wrote: post #323

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Iran is much less democratic than the US and the rest of the Western world. 158th from 179 entries here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-Dem_Democracy_Indices

Yes, that's the point they're making. Arguably US citizens are more complicit in the crimes of Israel than Iranians are in the crimes of Russia since Americans have more capacity to choice their leadership.

I understood that, only posted what I did because let's just not say "Iran is a democratic country, like the US". It is not.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by nanliu »

tuveson wrote: post #452
kelnos wrote: post #358

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> I've seen this sentiment so many times from westerners. You all say this, and yet at the same time you levy economic sanctions on countries... "You all" is a weird way of putting it. I don't support my government levying sanctions on these countries, but I have zero power to change it. It's funny, as the gist author points out that he doesn't support the actions of the Islamic Republic, and has no power to change i…

> But even in the US, no one I've ever had the option to vote for (and who had even a remote chance of winning) would ever consider lifting these sanctions. So I am similarly powerless to change this situation. Not saying Obama’s foreign policy was perfect, but he did do the Iran nuclear deal which lifted some sanctions, and started the process of normalizing relations with Cuba. Like so many other things, these were…

Long term foreign relationships cannot be built on top of four year presidential terms. Besides Israel, I'm not sure any country has continuity between recent administrations.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by [deleted] »

honzabe wrote: post #212
isaacremuant wrote: post #201

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Your whole post is war propaganda to justify how "the enemy" needs to be blocked and attacked. Analyze who have perpetrated most invasions ("military operations" if you like euphemisms) in the last 40 years and you'll be surprised who you'd need to "block" given your logic. Of course, you won't block yourself because it's convenient to be a jingoist when it doesn't affect you.

> Analyze who have perpetrated most invasions ("military operations" if you like euphemisms) in the last 40 years and you'll be surprised who you'd need to "block" given your logic. I have. It was Russia. They are indeed blocked and I am not surprised. > Of course, you won't block yourself because it's convenient to be a jingoist when it doesn't affect you. No, I won't block myself because my little country has not i…

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Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by ptero »

Xelbair wrote: post #355
FrozenSynapse wrote: post #338

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You think sanctions on Russia are not working?

Honestly, their effect is diminished. After speaking with Russians living in there, day to day life hasn't been affected that much, after initial shock. Trying to use sanctions against another major power isn't guaranteed to work as they can take the hit and pivot to internal industry(which happened), or trading with other major powers that do not sanction them(China). Or some countries get around sanctions - like bu…

> After speaking with Russians living in there, day to day life hasn't been affected that much

Did you speak with folks from Moscow or St Petersburg or from different regions? Life in the top 2 cities is kept as normal as possible at all costs; that is part of the Putin's approach to handling the elites (you can keep living your comfortable lives as long as you stay out of politics).

But elsewhere the quality of life took a big hit. Even in second tier cities. At least that is what I am hearing. My 2c.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by hrbsoscbfo »

adastra22 wrote: post #20

OP, some context from the other side might be helpful. Yes, there are fines for American companies if they do business with Iranians. That's how sanctions work as I'm sure you're aware. But the story doesn't stop there. If an American finds out they are transacting with a sanctioned individual, or citizens of a sanctioned country like Iran or North Korea, the stakes go up: $1M USD fine and up to 20 years in federal p…

I worked at a place where we tried hiring an Iranian. Ignorant of the law, some of us were surprised when the legal department pulled the plug on the whole process.

I was kind of surprised by the whole thing because he was currently employed at another company. We went so far in the process that he quit his other job and we had him in the office for his first day of work, had a big lunch with him and everything. We fucked him on that.

Re: Delete FROM users WHERE location = 'Iran';

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Post by chuliomartinez »

It is time that democracies stop doing business with autocratic regimes. Not just some of them, because if everything is manufactured in china, which keeps doing business with iran and russia, it seems pointless.

At this point it should be obvious to everyone, that western money is (transitively) keeping all the worst regimes alive.

People stopped buying south African stuff, as an apartheid boycott, can we get some china boycott going?

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