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I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by crabmusket »

froobius wrote: post #439
crabmusket wrote: post #430

I use a Mac M4 for work and have a Framework for myself. The M4 is a beast, but I have a different priority for a device I want to call "my own". I want more control over "my" device, and I don't demand the highest performance or battery life. I grew up on Windows, and for a long time dual-booted with various Linuxes, and eventually used WSL on the regular. But now with my Framework I'm running Fedora, so for the fir…

> I suppose, that I'm one of those weird types who likes to actually shut down their computer when they're not using it Erm, both windows and macs can be shut down Edit: I'm getting downvoted but the way it's phrased I don't understand the issue with shutting down on macs / window. I always shut them down.

There was some discussion about Linux having trouble with battery life while hibernating. That hasn't been a problem for me because I just don't do that.

In my experience, most people like to just leave their computers on, or sleep or hibernate them. Some people specifically like returning to their windows etc. just like they left them.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by coldpie »

cschep wrote: post #215
coldpie wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man just give me a way to switch between only the two most recent windows using a keyboard shortcut (without requiring some janky 3rd party program). Windows-style alt-tab. It's not a big ask and would make the macOS experience go from "barely usable" to "perfectly fine."

cmd-tab does this. what are we missing? cmd-tab, cmd-tab. terminal, browser. browser, terminal. has for years.

That switches between apps, not windows. Open two browser windows and two terminals. Try to switch between one terminal and one browser without bringing all the other windows to the fore. You can't do it.

Windows (and most Unix WMs, I don't know where it actually originated) style alt-tab maintains a stack of recent windows. So you can hit alt-tab repeatedly to swap between the two most recent, or hit alt-tab-tab-tab to bring up only the 4th most recent window, etc.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by crabmusket »

dimitar wrote: post #441
crabmusket wrote: post #430

I use a Mac M4 for work and have a Framework for myself. The M4 is a beast, but I have a different priority for a device I want to call "my own". I want more control over "my" device, and I don't demand the highest performance or battery life. I grew up on Windows, and for a long time dual-booted with various Linuxes, and eventually used WSL on the regular. But now with my Framework I'm running Fedora, so for the fir…

How quickly does your laptop start? I like this idea a lot, I am now going down the rabbithole of finding which distributions boot the fastest (I remember this mattered a lot to linux users about 20 years ago)

I want to say it's like 30 seconds to desktop with Fedora and KDE? I haven't timed it, it's probably less than that.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by sandGorgon »

yoavm wrote: post #360
sandGorgon wrote: post #317

you folks should really try the lenovo yoga series. especially this year's yoga slim aura edition (which has the intel lunar lake chips). The ipex-llm extensions are fairly stable and work very well ( https://github.com/intel/intel-extension-for-pytorch ) and the build quality of the laptop is exactly like the macbook air - i have both.

The discussion is mostly around battery life. How's the battery life on your Yoga, how much power does it lose on standby, and what operating system do you use?

windows. all day battery life. holds up pretty well to the macbook air 15 at similar workloads. macbook does get 1-1.5 hour more battery life. The lunar lake is an insane chip.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by gizzlon »

dimitar wrote: post #441
crabmusket wrote: post #430

I use a Mac M4 for work and have a Framework for myself. The M4 is a beast, but I have a different priority for a device I want to call "my own". I want more control over "my" device, and I don't demand the highest performance or battery life. I grew up on Windows, and for a long time dual-booted with various Linuxes, and eventually used WSL on the regular. But now with my Framework I'm running Fedora, so for the fir…

How quickly does your laptop start? I like this idea a lot, I am now going down the rabbithole of finding which distributions boot the fastest (I remember this mattered a lot to linux users about 20 years ago)

Are you really optimizing (for) the right thing here?

How many years will it take to get back the time you now spend researching boot time? :p

I used to have a computer that would use several minutes. I would just turn it on, then get some coffee and have a little pee. It was fine :)

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by coldpie »

WillAdams wrote: post #156
coldpie wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man just give me a way to switch between only the two most recent windows using a keyboard shortcut (without requiring some janky 3rd party program). Windows-style alt-tab. It's not a big ask and would make the macOS experience go from "barely usable" to "perfectly fine."

Does Command tab not do this? It brings up a list of applications in most recently to least recently used order, so two apps switched to/from will constantly switch places.

> It brings up a list of applications

"Applications" is the problem. I want to switch between windows.

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by dimitar »

crabmusket wrote: post #473
dimitar wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How quickly does your laptop start? I like this idea a lot, I am now going down the rabbithole of finding which distributions boot the fastest (I remember this mattered a lot to linux users about 20 years ago)

I want to say it's like 30 seconds to desktop with Fedora and KDE? I haven't timed it, it's probably less than that.

30s might be the threshold for me; any more than that it is distracting; since this is a laptop I might open it just to check my email for example

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by koolala »

Throwaway123129 wrote: post #366
maverwa wrote: post #17

The complaint about power usage in suspend is especially sad because it’s pretty much a common problem for Linux on laptops. Not sure if that’s what applies here, but the numbers about match what I see with my Framework. Basically: if you want to use secure boot you usually also want kernel lockdown mode, and you cannot hibernate a lockdowned kernel. At least not without out-of-tree patches. IMHO that’s a giant issue…

This is not a Linux issue (Though the hibernate issues are!). It's a PC issue. Microsoft went on a crusade making hardware vendors implement S0 next to S3 but most hardware vendors now _only_ implement S0. So that the laptop can keep phoning home and download updates etc whilst closed. Which means it's impossible to turn off the CPU during suspend. it's always on. PC as a laptop platform is a complete joke.

So this is why my parents laptop is constantly running it's fans while 'asleep'?

Re: I'm spoiled by Apple Silicon but still love Framework

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Post by eigenspace »

sedatk wrote: post #373
eigenspace wrote: post #178

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Instead of a hot-swappable battery, why not just carry a large battery-bank that can charge your laptop over USB-C? That way you don't even need to reboot. Browsing around on Amazon, I see there's actually quite a few battery banks that with over 60W of output, and ~100Wh of capacity for under 100€

> why not just carry a large battery-bank Not being allowed to use those on an airplane could be one reason.

I specifically mentioned under 100Wh because that's the limit for planes.
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