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AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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If you’re employed, you’re in a bucket. It’s a cell on a spreadsheet somewhere. I’ve yet to find a junior dev that had more skills than a junior dev. I’ve seen them try… but they are still a junior dev. If you aren’t a junior dev, then you aren’t. Mentorship has nothing to do with what bucket you’re in. However, there are specific job duties of senior and higher that are beyond just writing code. One of them is makin…

> I’ve yet to find a junior dev that had more skills than a junior dev. I’ve seen them try… [...] If you aren’t a junior dev, then you aren’t. Funny, I've met plenty of jr devs that were way more competent than some of their peers who've been at the exact same company/division for 4+ years. Which was my point. The world is bigger than you can imagine. There are people with experiences that you couldn't describe, but…

>but you write in a way that feels like you want to dismiss them outright as impossible

I write in a way from wisdom, from experience, the likes of which you describe as indescribable.

Ever heard the term “It takes a village”? You had mentors that you refuse to acknowledge.

>There are plenty of people who have never spent time with a mechanic, but have been spent so much time pouring over every technical manual for the car, that they can out perform guys with years working for Ferrari, while that guy working for Farrari has mentors, he still has to ask for help with most things, and needs to look up a number of the specs.

Except that guy in his garage isn’t working for BMW or Mercedes, he’s a hobbyist that has learned all about his vehicle. There’s a difference. A minor one, but it’s there. The Ferrari mechanic works on ALL Ferrari. Now, you’ll say, but there’s a car guy that can… I’ll save you the trouble. That guy isn’t applying to junior roles, isn’t asking for mentorship, he’s just a car guy. A passion about cars.

Then you’ll say: exactly my point about engineering. Which is right, I never said that it wasn’t possible that someone could selflessly throw hours away teaching themselves through trial, error, and tutorials. There are many paths. What I’m saying is, stop wasting hours and open your mouth and ask for help. There are no stupid questions, only stupid answers. Every scientific breakthrough starts with a question. Every idiot response starts with an answer. Mentorship is asking for guidance with the wisdom to know the difference.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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> I don't know, claude did that I'm the type of reviewer that actually reads code and asks probing questions, and I've heard this from junior and senior devs alike. It's maddening how people say this with a straight face and expect to keep their jobs. If people are pushing code they don't understand, they're liability to their team, product, and employer.

100%. This has in general become a trend across my company. Less so developers, more so everyone else spitting LLM generated content, and asking real people to review and provide feedback. I mean , WTF.

amen.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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> I’ve yet to find a junior dev that had more skills than a junior dev. I’ve seen them try… [...] If you aren’t a junior dev, then you aren’t. Funny, I've met plenty of jr devs that were way more competent than some of their peers who've been at the exact same company/division for 4+ years. Which was my point. The world is bigger than you can imagine. There are people with experiences that you couldn't describe, but…

>but you write in a way that feels like you want to dismiss them outright as impossible I write in a way from wisdom, from experience, the likes of which you describe as indescribable. Ever heard the term “It takes a village”? You had mentors that you refuse to acknowledge. >There are plenty of people who have never spent time with a mechanic, but have been spent so much time pouring over every technical manual for t…

> I write in a way from wisdom, from experience, the likes of which you describe as indescribable.

the likes of me huh?

lmao, ok mate, good job, gg you win! clearly you just better, because obviously, you're built different!

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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The correct response to that is "what's your job?" It's baffling how little awareness some people have.

"What would you say... you do here?"

"get paid to ask claude to do the work of course!"

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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Because juniors don't know when they're being taken down a rabbit hole. So they'll let the LLM go too deep in its hallucinations. I have a Jr that was supposed to deploy a terraform module I built. This task has been hanging out for a while so I went to check in on them. They told me the problem they're having and asked me to take a look. Their repo is a disaster, it's very obvious claude took them down a rabbit hole…

> I don't know, claude did that I'm the type of reviewer that actually reads code and asks probing questions, and I've heard this from junior and senior devs alike. It's maddening how people say this with a straight face and expect to keep their jobs. If people are pushing code they don't understand, they're liability to their team, product, and employer.

In certain situations I'd argue it's a calculated risk worth taking. Let's say I'm tasked with adding a much-needed feature to an older legacy application that is built using frameworks and libraries I'm not familiar with, possibly also with with weak docs. If Claude is able to produce a self-contained piece of code that looks correct when you read through it and behaves correctly during (thorough) testing, then it sure has saved me (and my company) a lot of time and effort, even though we are deploying code we may not fully understand.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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These days, AI can do much more than "Cranking out boilerplate and scaffolding, Automating repetitive routines". That was last year. With the right instructions, Claude Sonnet 4 can easily write over 99% of most business applications. You need to be specific in your instructions, though. Like "implement this table, add these fields, look at this and this implementation for reference, don't forget to do this and consi…

my dear guy, where is the shovelware https://mikelovesrobots.substack.com/p/wheres-the-shovelware... Where's the Shovelware? Why AI Coding Claims Don't Add Up

A couple of recent front page articles with an alternate perspective:

"The Mac app flea market": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45246971

"I launched a Mac utility; now there are 5 clones on the App Store using my story": https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45269827

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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You are telling me I have been reading about AI coding only for 6 months? I feel I have been reading for years.

No, I'm saying the AI coding tools only started bearing serious fruit recently.

I have been reading exactly that here for the last 5 years.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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It's quite simple: Nobody is lying and nobody who is any good is going to be nickle and dimed at a chop shop for long.

What? Where is all the software made by ai? Where are the videogames? Where is the Office killer? If ai enables you people so much I would expect software making to have skyroketed. It has nor happend.

Not arguing, but a few facts: Most vibe coded things are web sites. Not games, though surely assets are being generated as we speak. MS Office is a product of corruption, not developent, it can't be killed outside of political means.

Re: AI was supposed to help juniors shine. Why does it mostly make seniors stronger?

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What? Where is all the software made by ai? Where are the videogames? Where is the Office killer? If ai enables you people so much I would expect software making to have skyroketed. It has nor happend.

Not arguing, but a few facts: Most vibe coded things are web sites. Not games, though surely assets are being generated as we speak. MS Office is a product of corruption, not developent, it can't be killed outside of political means.

The tech that create nosense code is mostly used where code never trows exceptions.

Makes sense.

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