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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Your ideal immigrants are young parents with healthy children, who are apparently willing to abandon their own parents? And somehow this is a good thing?

Hey, quick question: who founded America?

Initially? People looking for gold, silver, fur. Missionaries spreading the word of god, people escaping persecution of various sorts.

Are those the people Europe and the US are look to immigrate?

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I'm not American, but with how many software engineers having gotten laid off over the last 4 years, reducing foreign workers competing for the same positions should be a given from the perspective of governing a nation. I'm surprised how divisive such a decision seems to be considering our current reality of a contracting industry (employment wise)

The H1 system requires the sponsoring company to prove there are no available US citizen candidates. Perhaps the appropriate move would be to look at eliminating fraud in that area. If there are large numbers of available qualified candidates then under the existing system H1-B applications should drop to zero.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Wow. "On vacation" makes it sounds like workers were just off "having fun" (which of course is their right), but as your story illustrates, many immigrants are required to leave the US for their visa renewals. To be forced to leave the country and then be barred from return by an sudden change in the rules is the most unjust cruelty. As an American, I'm deeply ashamed by this. I hope you and your family are able to r…

This is what sticks with me the deepest. With immigration are unquestionably tough decisions, tradeoffs, philosophies on the issue, and demographics in general. It gets heated, fast. I know I'm biased, but I wish trust had not degraded to such an extent you could believe people could deal with these topics in good faith. But how can anyone support this kind of craven policymaking where uncertainty and cruelty are fea…

The President’s very first speech as a candidate denigrated Mexicans. Xenophobia is his signature issue even more so than tax cuts. 62 million Americans approved this platform in 2016 outvoting 65 million Americans who chose the other candidate.

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A lot of aggrieved comments blaming US leadership, but nary a word about the leadership of countries which create conditions that people have to emigrate from. Populations of most countries offshore the blame for the lack of economic opportunity or social conditions where they live. I don’t blame the common folk, it’s the leaders and elite of such places who are responsible for their countries relative success or fai…

The US is responsible for the economic problems of many of those countries. To give an example, whether or not you agree with what the US is doing to Venezuela, all the sanctions have caused mass migrations out of that country and into ours.

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UK around Brexit time thought kind of similar: let's keep the "riffraff" immigrants out by applying higher criteria. The narrative also changed this way: we don't want immigrants in general, but you , with your highly paid PhD-requiring job, you can go in, on a 2 year rolling basis. Then everyone's a winner, except for unwanted, unskilled labour. But a lot of skilled labour left anyway. Partly because the general atm…

It wasn’t that similar though, because there was a long long period of transition, not “we are doing this on two days time and if you’ve not got £100k hard luck!”

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People describe all of these countries as authoritarian for various reasons. Multiple Indian immigrants I have worked with in the US have expressed displeasure at authoritarianism in India today, which I find difficult to distinguish from just not liking Modi.

I mean authoritarianism in India is far worse than what Trump can do at his worst, so their displeasure is not unwarranted.

Absolute bollocks, do you actually know anything about India and what's happening in the last 10 years. Easy being a keyboard warrior when you don't have to provide any justification.

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They are filling every power vacuum they create with direct executive power. Pure authoritarianism.

> They are filling every power vacuum they create with direct executive power. Pure authoritarianism. I just gave you a correct definition of authoritarianism, and that isn't it. It's also untrue -- this administration has rather aggressively moved to deregulate a number of areas that prior administrations had regulated. For example, not even a week ago, people here were complaining about the administration's move to…

What does 'a correct' mean to you? Wikipedia says: > Authoritarianism is a political system characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in democracy, separation of powers, civil liberties, and the rule of law.

As an outsider from Europe, it seems that is pretty much spot on to me. In Europe this probably applies to Hungary as well.

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post #355

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In the plain text manner. To me the more relevant portion is this: > ...except for those aliens whose petitions are accompanied or supplemented by a payment of $100,000 Again, just doing a plain text reading, this seems to be intended to apply to new applicants, but they didn't explicitly spell it out. It's the sort of thing that would be debated endlessly in the rounds of legal review that accompany a...more traditi…

I read it as, it either was accompanied by a payment already or it has to be supplemented Where the supplement would obviously be for the existing ones

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Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Why do you think they would not close the position in USA if immigrants are not an option anymore? If Indian developer cannot obtain a visa in Microsoft they will simply recruit the same person to the office in India.

If it's so easy to recruit for the Indian office, why go through the trouble of getting an H1-B in the first place?

The timezone difference between the west coast and India is pretty brutal for close collaboration. Argentina for example is much easier.

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Eh I think that’s a general feature of governments, not necessarily something unique to the Trump administration.

This sure didn't happen under Biden.

Depends on your perspective. How callous and poorly implemented was the withdrawal from Afghanistan? I know Trump signed the deal, but Biden was responsible for the execution at the time.

It’s helpful to not be dogmatic about these things, and even more helpful if you abandon partisanship.

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