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Re: Serverless Horrors

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #446
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #375

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Yes, he could have set up a billing alert that triggered an action to shut everything down. Easy way is to take away privileges from the IAM roles attached to the processes.

Bad design if that isn't in place for a new free-tier experiment. This is the problem right here. I moved from AWS and specifically Beanstalk because I don't want to be some "certified AWS goblin". I just wanted to host something sensibly. Other hosting companies don't have this problem and while I cannot complain about AWS as a service, this can be improved if there would be the will to do so. I believe there are ot…

There is no such thing as a “free tier” in AWS. At least there wasn’t until July of this year where you get a $200 credit and everything is blocked until you upgrade.

There were free services up to a certain usage limit in a month.

Re: Serverless Horrors

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

JustExAWS wrote: post #469
SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #362

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Block access to the service until the next billing period starts, or the user upgrades to a paid tier.

And it is still incurring charges for storage costs.

At Amazon scale, including a "we don't delete the data for 30 days if a bill isn't paid" clause is a plausible thing to include in the "free" tier. Paid tiers owe Amazon the contracted rate for the storage, as with any similar contract, and when Amazon deletes the data if payment isn't rendered when due is up to the terms of the contract.

Re: Serverless Horrors

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Post by bdangubic »

psychoslave wrote: post #439
bdangubic wrote: post #421

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run entire aws infra locally while studying for aws certification?

Let’s rephrase the question then, why makes an application dependent on AWS?

You commented on a post that included When I was doing cloud training with A Cloud Guru which is cloud certification platform. Can’t run “locally” getting prepped for an AWS certification and AWS is absolute shit for beginners in terms of cost protections

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Post by immibis »

wg002 wrote: post #9
Alifatisk wrote: post #3

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> Do you need to tweet about it to be reimbursed? This is what scares me, is social media the only way to get things sorted out nowadays? What if I don't have a large following nor an account in the first place, do I have to stomach the bill?

I can't imagine them sending it to collections. What kind of recourse would a company like Vercel have if you don't pay it?

They can sue you for the bill plus the legal costs.

Re: Serverless Horrors

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Post by immibis »

zahlman wrote: post #240
Spivak wrote: post #138

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But your so called "no-code" system runs on code. Checkmate atheists. There becomes a point where being mad that the specific flavor of PaaS termed serverless achtually has severs is just finding a thing to be mad at.

In the "no-code" system, the end user does not write code. In the "serverless" system, the end user does connect to a server. It doesn't just "have" servers; they aren't a hidden implementation detail. Connecting to a website is an instrumental part of using the software.

In the "code" system the end user does not write code either - that's the developer's job. In the "no code" system it's the developer who doesn't write code, and in the "serverless" system it's the developer who doesn't set up servers.

Re: Serverless Horrors

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Post by kjs3 »

mdaniel wrote: post #167
fnord77 wrote: post #58

looking forward to the "LLM token horrors" version

I thought there was an OWASP for "denial of wallet" vulnerabilities but this link was the closest one I found https://www.prompt.security/vulnerabilities/denial-of-wallet... (although the link makes it sound like they're offering denials)

We call them "Billing Fatigue Attacks". Keep an eye on your autoscaling, kids...

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

naasking wrote: post #411
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #370

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You can do that today. Billing alerts can trigger workflows.

Sounds like this should be a standard workflow that's a very simple and visible option.

Because your specific work case of how you want to disable processes is completely based on your requirements. AWS just gives you the tools.

Re: Serverless Horrors

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #472
JustExAWS wrote: post #469

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it is still incurring charges for storage costs.

At Amazon scale, including a "we don't delete the data for 30 days if a bill isn't paid" clause is a plausible thing to include in the "free" tier. Paid tiers owe Amazon the contracted rate for the storage, as with any similar contract, and when Amazon deletes the data if payment isn't rendered when due is up to the terms of the contract.

There is no such thing as the “free tier” at least until July of this year. Some services are free for the first year up to a certain limit, some give you a bucket of free usage every month, etc.

Re: Serverless Horrors

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Post by 63stack »

sokoloff wrote: post #264
dismalaf wrote: post #179

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If it's a free tier there should never have been a charge in the first place...

What would the would “tier” mean here? There is a US tax bracket (tier) where no tax is due on long-term capital gains. That doesn’t mean it’s wrong when I pay long-term capital gains.

A free tier would mean that the expected bill is not higher than $0
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