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Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by MisterMower »

rs186 wrote: post #291
gibolt wrote: post #267

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The real issue is all the current bad drivers. A requirement to start re-testing normal people in addition to the elderly would be a large benefit to society.

Complete unrelated, I just wish every driver on the road re-learn that cyclists have the same rights of being on city roads like cars.

Cyclists contribute to congestion and occupy road space that was created through taxes on motorists while paying nothing for these benefits.

Cyclists are not licensed and their bicycles are not tagged or inspected for safe operation on roads, unlike motorists.

Cyclists are rarely subjected to traffic law enforcement despite demanding all of the rights that motorists pay for and are licensed for.

Cyclists are a danger to themselves and others while operating in the same area as motorists, but are not required to carry insurance or wear safety equipment, while motorists are held to more stringent regulation.

In a nutshell, cyclists are free-riding risk takers who are arrogant to boot. When they start acting like motorists and pay taxes like motorists and are fined like motorists for violating the law, I will happily change my opinion.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

segmondy wrote: post #341
afcool83 wrote: post #239

I live in one of the areas they are actively testing/training in. Their cars consistently behave better and more safely than most human drivers that I’m forced to share the road with. As semi-autonomous and autonomous cars become the norm, I would adore to see obtaining a drivers license ratchet up in difficulty in order to remove dangerous human drivers from the road.

be careful what you wish for, you are giving up your freedom to movement in the name of security. you might make the argument that you can hail a cab. that's more expensive than owning your own car and with self driving cabs you will lose your privacy when you use them. any movement between 2 points will always be recorded with at least video and as you are moving, someone else other than you can pinpoint your exact…

> you are giving up your freedom to movement in the name of security

Driving in American cities is the opposite of freedom. The necessity of regulating apes piloting heavy machinery in close proximity to each other and society is a major source of our modern police state.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bananalychee wrote: post #180
nutjob2 wrote: post #120

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It's a level 2 system, it can't be operated unattended. Your friends are risking thier lives as several people (now dead) have found out.

Wikipedia lists two fatal crashes involving Tesla FSD and one involving Waymo.

There is no world in which New York lets Teslas drive autonomously in the next decade. Had they not been grandfathered in in California, I doubt politics there would have allowed it either.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #434
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #221

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If I can't use the center console to pick a song on Spotify without the car yelling at me to watch the road, it's not autonomous.

That is for the lawyers not indicative of capability

I’ve taken a nap in my Waymos. One can’t in a Tesla. That is a difference in capability.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

hammock wrote: post #212
9dev wrote: post #184

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That seems only like a temporary problem until people get used to actually stopping at red lights, as they are supposed to. After the initial acceptance phase, it should minimise accidents over the longer term.

Unless there is a warning of how long is left on the yellow light, it’s an unsolvable problem because there is an asymmetric risk of stopping vs accelerating

> it’s an unsolvable problem because there is an asymmetric risk of stopping vs accelerating

This just sounds like everyone is speeding and/or distracted.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

mtalantikite wrote: post #383
testfrequency wrote: post #106

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TIL. LA doesn’t have complex traffic? What sort of traffic do we have in LA then? LA is walkable, it’s lazy (and mostly incorrect) to say LA isn’t walkable. LA County is massive, and depending on where you want to pick a comparison from, you may prove yourself either right or wrong.

Crossing the street as a pedestrian without a walk signal in NYC goes: - look in the direction of oncoming traffic as you approach the intersection, cross if you think you can make it without breaking your stride - if there is traffic, step off the curb into the street and wait for a large enough gap in traffic to walk against the light - if there is backed up traffic, find a gap to walk in between Wait until New Yor…

> Wait until New Yorkers figure out that Waymos will detect you and yield in order to avoid hitting you. People will just disregard and cross right in front of them

This is true everywhere. Waymos have learned to time an aggressive run up. Same as every New York driver.

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Post by nostrebored »

dgunay wrote: post #425
Antoniocl wrote: post #321

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How this issue skews probably depends on where you live, but in the area I live, I have the opposite complaint: that bicyclists should re-learn that they are legally required (in my city) to ride on roads, rather than barrelling down sidewalks. That said, this is coming from me as a pedestrian, so maybe someone who was primarily a driver would have a completely different take from both of us.

I don't personally care whether bikes (or scooters) ride on the road or the sidewalk, but my one ask is that: If they ride on the sidewalk, they should behave like pedestrians. That is, do not blast into the crosswalk at 20mph (impossible for drivers to safely check for in most environments), do not randomly enter the road from the sidewalk, pass pedestrians at a respectful speed and distance, etc. If they ride on th…

Biking while respecting traffic rules dramatically increases mortality rates.

Re: Waymo granted permit to begin testing in New York City

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #53
potatolicious wrote: post #33

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> "Why does having launched in other cities matter if the new city brings up things that none of the other launched cities do?" New requirements come up all the time in technology. The existence of a new requirement isn't in and of itself justification for skepticism - is there a particular reason to believe that Waymo is not capable of solving for the new requirement? The answer may be yes, but simply "ahah! It woul…

The interesting snow & ice problem for me is that humans will drive in winter conditions that are unsafe -- for example white-out blizzards. Robocars won't be able to drive in a white-out blizzard, so they'll likely refuse to do so. Humans should also refuse to drive, but people drive anyways. NYC doesn't generally get white-out blizzards, so refusing to drive in them is quite feasible.

> Robocars won't be able to drive in a white-out

My Subaru can lane keep in Wyoming blizzards better than I can because it follows the car in front with radar.

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Post by MisterMower »

margalabargala wrote: post #394
bathtub365 wrote: post #333

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Yep, including not being allowed to run red lights. It would also be great if they had license plates so you could easily report dangerous behaviour.

Which state are you in? There are a lot of US states (like, more than 10) where cyclists specifically are permitted to go through red lights in some circumstances.

Riding a bike without a helmet is permitted in most states, too. Just because it’s lawful doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

marcosdumay wrote: post #256
meagher wrote: post #211

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> not sure why you think waymo would fight against that If you were to pedestrianize 10% of Manhattan (or for example all of Broadway, which is being considered), then that’s less area for Waymo to operate and make money. To be clear, this is likely more of a long term issue.

They will probably gain way more by the removal of parking lots that comes with it than by losing rides to pedestrian traffic or bikes.

> will probably gain way more by the removal of parking lots

Or remove street-side parking.

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