Fight Chat Control

Post by mnbpdx » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 8:59 PM UTC

uyzstvqs wrote: post #352

Disposal8433 wrote: post #9

I'm French and every idiot supports it, even the so-called left. There is nothing I can do except donate money every month to GrapheneOS ( https://grapheneos.org/donate ). Democracy is dead for me.

It's not a left-right divide. Privacy advocates are a combination of the general right-wing + the anti-establishment left-wing. The people supporting this are establishment career politicians, who are left-wing as well (e.g. ylva johansson), though different from the anti-establishment left-wing (e.g. pirate party). Anyone who tries to make this a left-right issue must stop, because that's how we lose.

Post by bigfudge » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 9:39 PM UTC

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #438

bigfudge wrote: post #398

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You might not like this law (and I'm agnostic on it) but I think the principle that individuals should be held accountable when laws are broken is important. Otherwise we just have token fines and corporate non-compliance because the risks don't outweigh the potential financial benefits. I think people at Experian should have gone to jail, for example, for their incompetence and negligence in regards data breaches.

Which people? The responsibility is distributed across hundreds, the decisions that led to the breach were made by committees, etc.

Post by isaacremuant » Mon, Aug 11, 2025, 10:14 PM UTC

Krssst wrote: post #346

isaacremuant wrote: post #322

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So people should die of pandemix diseases for making sure that personal freedoms are never ever temporarily restricted, got it. One side seems busy with taking democratic institutions down, I wouldn't be surprised if freedom is next anyway. (well freedom of opinion is already disappearing)

Post by steve_taylor » Tue, Aug 12, 2025, 12:55 AM UTC

uyzstvqs wrote: post #347

IshKebab wrote: post #320

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Yeah I think you have it backwards. I don't think anyone has demonstrated any actual harms from porn, but social networks regularly fuck teenagers up. I definitely would prefer my children to watch porn than get bullied - or worse - on social media. There's also the fact that I vaguely trust Facebook or Reddit to do a credit card-based age check or whatever. No way I'm giving any of my details to porn sites. Stupid d…

> I don't think anyone has demonstrated any actual harms from porn That's disingenuous and false. It's pretty common knowledge that pornography is not representative of real relationships, and because it's not actually emotionally satisfying, it takes regular consumers down a rabbit hole of increasingly extreme, vile and obscure content. Take a guess what that does to a developing teenager, essentially being educated…

Post by chaostheory » Tue, Aug 12, 2025, 3:59 AM UTC

immibis wrote: post #467

chaostheory wrote: post #280

This just hammers the opinion that the GDPR was mainly just an EU economic protectionist policy and not actually about protecting privacy of citizens as promised.

GDPR passed, Chat Control didn't (already rejected about 4-5 times but the evil people keep proposing it because re-proposing the same failed law has no cost). The chat control laws in the UK and USA also passed.