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A.I. researchers are negotiating $250M pay packages

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Post by UmGuys »

nopinsight wrote: post #457
UmGuys wrote: post #451

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I don't think so. It's just a bubble. There's no AI, we have fancy chatbots. If someone were to achieve AGI, maybe they win, but it's unlikely to exist. Or if it does, we can't define it.

What would you say if the IMO Gold Medal models from DeepMind and OpenAI turn out to be generalizable to other domains including those with hard-to-verify reward signals? Hint: Researchers from both companies said publicly they employ generalized reasoning techniques in these IMO models.

Nice. That's really great progress. Maybe a model will be able to infer what consciousness is.

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Post by hollerith »

Voultapher wrote: post #469
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Yeah but its not made up money tho, meta(fb) must buy out stocks at certain point while its true that many of its would vested for period of time. it still cost them in the future what more embarrassing is that they do this to poach AI talent because they massively behind on AI races, like they literally still to the extend of king of social media (fb,instragram,whatsapp etc) they should do better given how much data…

I think you are under a misconception as to how this work. Let's say Meta wants to give this person 100M in stock, they don't have to buy 100M worth of stock when the option vests. What they do is, go into their accounting software and look at how many shares they have, let's call this amount X. And they will increase the total number of shares from X to X+Y where Y is worth 100M at current valuation. They never need…

Since Meta Platforms' stock is highly liquid, it does not matter much (except maybe for computing taxes) whether Meta sells stock and gives 100M in cash to the employee or gives the employee stock, which the employee then converts into cash.

In either case, the fact that the stock was created is reported to investors, and investors know that the creation reduces the value of every existing share of Meta, which is the feedback mechanism which restricts how much money or value Meta can get out of the creation of new shares of its stock.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

aleph_minus_one wrote: post #454
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Sounds good in theory but I'd be bored to death in a month, at most two. Traveling the world...maybe good for a few more months and that's it. Wouldn't you yearn for any more impact given how much that amount of resource could improve the lives of many, if used wisely?

> Wouldn't you yearn for any more impact given how much that amount of resource could improve the lives of many, if used wisely? Cynical take: increasing Meta's stock value does improve the lifes of many - the many stock holders. Thus: when you talk about improving lifes, you better specify which group you are targeting, and why you selected this particular group.

I am interested in improving the lives of the many people who cannot afford to be stockholders

The reason I'm interested in this is twofold

First, I think the current system is exploitative. I don't advocate for communism or anything, but the current system of extracting value from the lower class is disgusting

Second, they outnumber the successful people by a vast margin and I don't want them to have a reason to re-invent the guillotine

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Post by impossiblefork »

Terr_ wrote: post #292
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Nah. The models are great, but the models can also write a story where characters who in the prompt are clearly specified as never having met are immediately addressing each other by name. These models don't understand anything similar to reality and they can be confused by all sorts of things. This can obviously be managed and people have achieved great things with them, including this IMO stuff, but the models are…

> a story Yeah, that framing for LLMs is one of my pet-causes: It's document generation, some documents resemble stories with characters, and everything else (e.g. "chatting" with an LLM) is an illusion, albeit an impressive and sometimes-useful one. Being able to generate a document where humans perceive plausible statements from Santa Claus does not mean Santa Claus now lives inside the electronic box, that flying…

I don't understand your comment. If I phrase it in the terms of your document view I'm trying to say in my comment is that even though the models can generate some documents (computer programs, answers to questions) they are terrible at generating others, such as stories.

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Post by turnsout »

jdefr89 wrote: post #354
turnsout wrote: post #320

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He didn’t have to be the first to be the one most associated with popularizing the technology.

That just shows you how warped the minds of the general public are. They fail to realize the only thing Jobs did was know the right people then take all the credit…

This is how (checks notes) everything has always worked.

In a large project such as introducing the first GUI for general use, you can't do everything yourself. If you're within a company, you hire people. You take inspiration from the outside. It's a team effort, and not the result of a lone genius.

That does not diminish what Jobs did. The Mac and the Lisa were underway before the Xerox PARC visit. The idea of mixed graphics and text were already out there as an ideal—it's pretty obvious if you think about it. Engelbart's demo was already legendary.

But as we all know, it's one thing for a technology to exist in a research lab, and quite another for it to be adopted by millions of people. That's where Jobs was actually exceptional. He was able to manage these massive projects with just the right compromises to take great technology and turn it into great products.

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Post by aswanson »

sabedevops wrote: post #390
eastbound wrote: post #383

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And let others govern the world?

I met a traveller from an antique land, Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed; And on the pedestal these words appear: "M…

I take that more as a rumination on the futility of vanity and self-aggrandizing rather than "ruling the world " which in the modern day comes down to politics. Yes, there is considerable overlap with ego, but there's more to that topic than pure self-worship.

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Post by aswanson »

croes wrote: post #430
siscia wrote: post #324

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Also, do you have a better way to spend that money?

There are some problems in the world that Meta could help fixing with that money.

Given history of the guy at the helm, most likely won't.

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Post by turnsout »

jdefr89 wrote: post #353
aleph_minus_one wrote: post #312

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> Jobs gave us GUIs and smartphones. Steve Jobs neither gave/invented GUIs nor smartphones. :-D

Lmao right!? Dude stole all that from Xerox and MS came out with palm pilots early 2000s then you had black berry. Amazing how many people think CEOs actually did the work they get credit for when they almost virtually all were in the right spot with the right people. Notice none of them can reproduce or start another ultra successful startup… Zuckerberg is a perfect example of one hit wonder and he wasn’t even the f…

Palm Pilots and Blackberrys existed before the iPhone, so why don't they exist anymore? Why are their founders historical side notes?

Because they didn't usher in the smartphone revolution. They just weren't good enough for the mass market. Palm was a great early start, but so was Apple's Newton.

So yes, the idea of a smartphone and some of the components existed before the iPhone, but nothing was "stolen." Jobs was the one who first crystalized the smartphone as we know it now. And yes, he used a team, because CEOs don't literally do all of the work of the company.

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Post by aswanson »

ath3nd wrote: post #448
arcanemachiner wrote: post #340

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Everyone has a price. Mine is a hell of a lot lower than $250M, and I would bet half of that that yours is too.

No amount of money (or torture) can make me work for Meta, Palantir or Amazon.

How do you rank the evil list? For me, Palantir is an easy #1.
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