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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler
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#472I am in full support of Israel's actions in Gaza, but think Israel is completely out of line and breaking the law with their settlers actions in the West Bank.
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> > why there is no "just stop fighting" option > I don't recall many people ever seriously asking for that i live in Canada, literally half a world away. Every street light pole seems to have some sort of "Ceasefire now" sticker on it. I also see similar sentiment in online threads on the topic. I think there is a significant group of people who want Israel to commit to an unconditional ceasefire in Gaza. > We know…
People are arguing for an unconditional ceasefire because innocent people and children are literally starving to death. Many of the people arguing for ceasefire probably wouldn’t be so animated about it if that wasn’t the case, i.e. if Israel was conducting a legal war with targeted strikes. That isn’t the case.
Why are they calling for a ceasefire instead of for Hamas to surrender?
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No, this was a misquote, but it sounds juicy so it will never stop being passed around on the Internet. Netanyahu cited a completely different verse of the Torah, which was then mischaracterized.
there is plenty of Israeli officials like smotrich bengvir and other invoking Amalek doctrine.
Also Israel officialy had "mowing the lawn" doctrine that is literal genocide
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2025.2...
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Do you believe Israel's continued existence is assured?
Even without nukes it would be because the arabs in the region are bad at fighting. But with nukes it for sure is because of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
I suspect most Israelis think differently. Even if "the arabs in the region are bad at fighting" they still outnumber the Israeli population by something like 20 to 40 times, depending on how you count. About one Israeli was killed for every three Hamas fighters on Oct 7, and it's not an exact comparison for many reasons, but hopefully it provides some perspective.
EDIT: There are a couple of axes that helped me get a broader perspective:
1. Whether one supports Israel's continued existence 2. Whether one believes Israel's continued existence is guaranteed
Having started about midway between yes and no on 1, and at yes on 2, it was extremely enlightening to reinterpret my observations from the point of view of yes on 1 and no on 2. All Israeli behaviour that I had previously found incomprehensible finally made sense.
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> Would you agree that "Palestinians should suffer for what Hamas did" is a decent summary of the view you describe I'm not the person you are responding to, but sheesh that is an unsympathetic reading of their comment. I do not know if the person you replied to does or does not believe that, but nothing in their comment would imply that. > I do not pretend to have or be able to gain any knowledge that could help thi…
Yeah, I realize that was dangerously close to ragebait territory, sorry about that.
It's just that I saw it as an opportunity to glimpse into the reasoning made and I couldn't find myself with a charitable interpretation that didn't include something very similar to that statement, so why not pop it out there to find out more what the person disagrees with?
Feel free to ignore the question, it probably won't change anyone's view anyway.
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Deuteronomy 9:4 > After the Lord your God has driven them out before you, do not say to yourself, “The Lord has brought me here to take possession of this land because of my righteousness.” No, it is on account of the wickedness of these nations that the Lord is going to drive them out before you. I think there is a common belief that Israel was "given" the land beyond the Jordan because they were God's chosen people…
The entire bible is a story of the Jewish people losing their land due to moral failings. Repeatedly. From Judges through 2 Kings, Israel repeatedly loses divine protection precisely because of its own wickedness. Being “chosen” meant bearing covenantal responsibility, not enjoying a blank moral check. Deuteronomy 20:15-18 is more appropriate to the current conflict, as it relates to how the Jews should fight wars in…
For those that don't know the Old Testament/Torah it might be worthwhile to point out that what you refer to as "moral failings" is not the same as what modern people think are "moral failings". Uncleanliness (gay sex, touching menstruating women, eating pork, yadda, yadda) and worshiping other Gods are "moral failings", raping, pillaging, and exterminating enemies most definitely are not.
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> USA continues to ignore the plight of Palestinians and continues to fund and arm the regime that kills them False monolith. To the extent there is a single foreign policy issue dominating the American public consciousness, it’s Gaza. Palestinian lives are not being ignored. There isn’t universal compassion for them. But the average American has more developed views on this topic than for any comparable conflict aro…
> Palestinian lives are not being ignored. In many US states it is criminalized to support Palestinian statehood past a certain point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws You can argue that American citizens aren't unaware, but the politicians are born and bred to ignore this catastrophe. We have laws to stop them from caring.
Laws against boycotting Israel is not related to supporting a Palestinian state. They are two completely different issues.
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#480Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, this was a misquote, but it sounds juicy so it will never stop being passed around on the Internet. Netanyahu cited a completely different verse of the Torah, which was then mischaracterized.
there is plenty of Israeli officials like smotrich bengvir and other invoking Amalek doctrine. Also Israel officialy had "mowing the lawn" doctrine that is literal genocide https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14623528.2025.2...
I'm really not so much interested in litigating the broader conflict; just, this is a factoid that gets brought into these threads, and it's worth knowing the quote people are referring to was mischaracterized.