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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by orbital-decay »

throwawaysleep wrote: post #461
orbital-decay wrote: post #227

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Claiming the exposure doesn't work is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The reality is that awareness is a major factor, that was literally the main way of the power takeover in Russia (see e.g. Suponev, Ernst, Gusinsky, and Listyev). Russian government is really careful about doing things slowly and getting away with everything people let them get away with, and stopping dehumanization and letting…

> Claiming the exposure doesn't work is probably the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It doesn’t in a culture like the Russian one of extreme deference to government.

My point is there's nothing "cultural" about it, those suggesting it either have zero idea about it or have never lived through or at least analyzed 80s-90s-2000s in Russia. It's purely the artifact of manufactured consent, and media takeover that was creeping in since Listyev's times and went full speed in 2001 is a primary factor in it. Willingly going into an invisible mode for Russians while having a huge leverage (language+presence), leaving them in their bubble, is a colossal blunder.

Consciously or not, you're spreading Putin's propaganda and justify/validate his actions. "It's world vs Russia, always been and always will be, since Adam and Eve. Nothing can be done. Everybody supports the government, it's cultural. We've always been at war with Eastasia. Spread out, nothing to see here, people are powerless anyway." People like you might have a lot in common with many Russians without realizing it.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by SetTheorist »

Mars008 wrote: post #440
torlok wrote: post #315

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Russians are kiling civilians with drones each day. I don't think this is some gray area hybrid warfare, it's just regular people not wanting drones to kill their neighbours.

> Russians are kiling civilians with drones each day. Same do Ukrainians, don't they? More over, long before they killed civilians and defenders in Iraq and Afghanistan on Americans invitation. Then left without even saying 'sorry'. Since 2014 they were shelling Donetsk just for fun, killing people at random. So, it's more complicated than you'll find in western mass media. Especially in EU where full picture is ille…

No, they do not. Ukrainians have not and do not deliberately target civilians in their war of self-defense against the invading russian army.

Russia consistently and deliberately targets civilians. There is no "both sides" here.

Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by 93po »

consumer451 wrote: post #426
93po wrote: post #388

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it is worth something if it's recognized as a myth by official sources at the time, but it doesn't change that social media (reddit) was absolutely jammed full of stuff about it, presenting it as factual, and has led probably millions of people to believe it was real. and even beyond the posts that were explicitly about it, comment sections continued to refer to it in serious ways. my whole point is there is a concer…

The billionaires appear to be more pro-Russia, as that is where more billions lay. Look at the oligarch paper of record, the grey lady. Just last week, they claimed that the Western-most, and safest Ukraininian city, Lviv, was too unsafe. They instead chose to embed that reporter with russian troops, in Kursk, and described it as "A Landscape of Death: Where Ukraine invaded." Look at the comments on this story. https…

billionaires are pro-USA because the billions of dollars we're "giving to ukraine" is actually billions of dollars going to private american companies that sell services and equipment to the US government that are then handed over to ukraine.

i agree that russia is definitely the bad guy here, and i agree russia is much worse about fake news

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Post by b112 »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #257
b112 wrote: post #194

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They had to withdraw from Syria, due to a loss of ability to project power. That's how desperate they are for troops. They removed troops, planes, closed bases. Almost immediately Syria fell. Israel and the US's stance with Iran, was something not as plausible when Russian strength existed in the region. Russia complained and threatened, but naturally nothing has come of it. They have no capacity to do anything, or p…

> They removed troops, planes, closed bases. Almost immediately Syria fell. This has more to do with the Syrian military being completely starved of resources, particularly money, due to the US occupying the most lucrative portions of sovereign Syrian territory for years. Not having Russian airpower on call absolutely contributed to the collapse but not being able to reliably pay/staff formerly-capable formations lik…

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Re: Ukrainian hackers destroyed the IT infrastructure of Russian drone manufacturer

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Post by vardump »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #468
vardump wrote: post #452

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> There is no plausible scenario in which it will be favorable for Ukraine If this is true, we're doomed. Everyone will want to have nuclear weapons in order not to end up like Ukraine. After that point it's just a matter of time until something goes wrong. Russia must not win to avoid a nuclear war.

It is unlikely that we will see new nuclear powers. It's not an easy job. We can be sure that Israel or North Korea won't give up, but that does not mean they are going to use the weapons or there will be a full-blown intercontinental war. Looking at current progress in space tech, in 30-40 years the ultimate WMD will be kinetic space weapons anyway.

They were challenging 70 years ago, but in 2025 nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles are trivial for an industrialized nation.

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Post by wltr »

immibis wrote: post #393
Ray20 wrote: post #242

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Russia has nuclear weapons and good means of delivering them all over the planet. That is a fact of reality that does not allow us to "be done with that pretty quickly".

There is not much evidence that Russia currently has working nuclear weapons, but we'd rather not find out the hard way.

Yeah, let these pesky Ukrainians to find out. This memorandum thing was a fake security promise anyway.

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Post by tmiku »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #383
tmiku wrote: post #304

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> I helped to recover my nearby hospital as a volunteer when it was ransomwared. I'm curious about how you got in the door here. Very cool, but isn't healthcare IT notoriously cagey about access? I've had to do PHI training and background checks before getting into the system at my (admittedly only 2) PHI-centered jobs. Granted, if it was such an emergency, I could see them rushing you through a lite version of the H…

The nature and place of my work helped to quickly clear this. I volunteered to help because I knew that even broadly planning the recovery, evidence preservation etc. would be completely beyond the capabilities of the two IT folks (they were extremely nice and helpful, and glad that there was someone to help). I was there to draw things on the board and ask the questions that will help to recover. I would not have (n…

That's really cool. I was mostly envisioning hands-on admin stuff (because that's the work I'm most familiar with), but I hadn't thought about how much of a boon it would be to have someone with incident management experience arriving to help out. If you ever do a write-up about your experience, I'd love to read it.

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Post by sickofparadox »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #390
rdtsc wrote: post #324

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In which country can the children trust the police?

In general, the most civilized part of the world, western & north europe. So, Norway, Dennmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, France, Spain, Austria, Switzerland

You can, and people have, get arrested and sentenced to prison in most of those countries for posts on social media.

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Post by TiredOfLife »

Mars008 wrote: post #440
torlok wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russians are kiling civilians with drones each day. I don't think this is some gray area hybrid warfare, it's just regular people not wanting drones to kill their neighbours.

> Russians are kiling civilians with drones each day. Same do Ukrainians, don't they? More over, long before they killed civilians and defenders in Iraq and Afghanistan on Americans invitation. Then left without even saying 'sorry'. Since 2014 they were shelling Donetsk just for fun, killing people at random. So, it's more complicated than you'll find in western mass media. Especially in EU where full picture is ille…

in 2014 russia invaded.

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Post by jncfhnb »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #337
jncfhnb wrote: post #282

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Remains to be seen if the lessons of this war extend to other possible wars though. It is possible that FPV drones are showing up as so important because Russia is committed to a disgusting meat sluice of fodder to achieve its marginal territory gains. Most countries don’t have the appetite for those kind of losses. Most countries, frankly, don’t have the audacity to set these kinds of war aims. I predict they won’t…

Seems like drone warfare is just democratizing what e.g the US has in capabilities with their precision munitions already, in a perhaps less capable but far cheaper manner. Put it in other words if this was the US directy engaging russia, it would probably be tomahawk missiles or something along those lines just like we’ve seen last few decades, vs a sort of Air Hogs with a bomb.

Nah it would still be FPV drones

The question is how useful would these things be if your opponent wasn’t blindly rushing forward?

The role of this tech is effectively a dynamic minefield more or less

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