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What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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That time period is so markedly different from ours, the comparison is useless.

It was just 60 years ago, and most cultures in the world today still practice this form of sexual modesty.

How’s that working out? Overbearing control over sex is not only unnecessary, it’s the problem. It’s also so exceptionally culturally ingrained, people immediately and emotionally come to its defence.

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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The tiny period of time that allowed some men in the wealthiest parts of the world to purchase property and support a family of 4+ on a single salary was an anomaly. It was a macroeconomic fluke, forever lost to the specific place and time that allowed it to briefly flourish. There's a chance a highly-automated future could reduce our neccesary working hours to those boomtime levels. But the one thing that will absol…

> There's a chance a highly-automated future could reduce our neccesary working hours to those boomtime levels. This has been the dream since the dawn of time (agriculture is automating food production to some extent). The gains in increased productivity is rarely if ever distributed back to the workers though. We have concrete data on wage stagnation when productivity has been increasing in the past few decades. Wha…

This is dead wrong. For all of human history through say 1800 gains in productivity flowed back to the general population in the form of more kids (but no per capita growth), this was the Malthusian equilibrium. Since 1800 not only has the typical person’s standard of living exploded but the typical person works in both paid and nonpaid labor far fewer hours. Roughly the typical person worked 4000 hours a year in paid and domestic labor in 1800 compared to less than 2000 hours a year today.

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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> This is written about quite a bit. Go on.

It’s sometimes difficult to find the links through Google on short notice but I found one random site that discusses this. Of course the site is pro fathers but they do link to primary sources to verify the claims in the article. There are plenty of other places this is discussed, and I’m not associated with and haven’t ever before read the following website. It just happened to easily show up in my search. https://g…

Then post the sources directly. What you linked to is obviously useless for good faith discussion?

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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Presumably either the countries being emigrating from must be at replacement rate, or themselves declining? Somebody has to be producing the next generation, somewhere..

Yes, which is how it is and I don't see this changing any time soon.

But the point is that the illness of developed nations is having the symptoms treated by infusions of immigrants from countries that don't _yet_ have the same illness. If it's a matter of "as countries develop they have less children", you'd better hope other places of the world stay poor and uneducated.

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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That time period is so markedly different from ours, the comparison is useless.

It worked for hundreds, or maybe, thousands of years. What we’ve been doing for just some decades is already leading to talks of population collapse. Maybe that way wasn’t wrong.

Maybe because women didn't work then?

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

#477

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That time period is so markedly different from ours, the comparison is useless.

It worked for hundreds, or maybe, thousands of years. What we’ve been doing for just some decades is already leading to talks of population collapse. Maybe that way wasn’t wrong.

Sex was great back then? For women? Gays? Who? The point you make is backward-looking. I suggest we as a culture look forward instead.

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

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My $0.02 is being a mom sucks. In modern relationships, men just want to work and come home to a cooked meal and clean house, but their wives are working just as many hours the men are. Having kids means tension in relationship, unpaid labor by the woman, and stress parenting kids. Even if the husband steps up, he still can't breast feed for 3 hours per day. Pregnancy is really terrible on the woman's body. Post-part…

Ive been married for 12 years and know a dozen married couples pretty well. I know of one where the husband expects to come home to a meal and a clean house. Chores are almost always split. Me, my dad and my brother in law all do more chores than our wives.

The only couple actually like the gender stereotype you invoke is a conservative one in their 60s.

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

#479

The tiny period of time that allowed some men in the wealthiest parts of the world to purchase property and support a family of 4+ on a single salary was an anomaly. It was a macroeconomic fluke, forever lost to the specific place and time that allowed it to briefly flourish. There's a chance a highly-automated future could reduce our neccesary working hours to those boomtime levels. But the one thing that will absol…

I make 5 times more than my SO and I can realistically have 3/4 families if I wanted. I proposed multiple times my SO to work part time and spend more time at home and have children and she has 0 intentions of giving up a single dime of her independence.

Is that how you proposed it?

Re: What caused the 'baby boom'? What would it take to have another?

#480

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> When I see a family of 5 my first thought is "holy fuck they must be loaded. This is an interesting divide between social media reality of children and the real world. Any parent will recognize that having 5 kids does not mean paying 5X the cost of infant daycare, which is obvious when you think about it. Infant daycare is expensive but it's also temporary. It's also fascinating that so many people assume daycare i…

> You can also hire a nanny. Yes, or just have your servants watch them. Most families in the US can't afford a nanny. Daycare is already stretching it. > It's also not the end of the world to take a couple years off work. It's a hurdle, but not the end of the road. Many people do it. Mostly women, and that helps keep the gender pay gap going.

OP's comment was so wild, I can't believe it was anything but disguised sarcasm.

> Have a parent stay at home and not work

> Hire a nanny

> Move (presumably farther away from your job) closer to your (assumed idle) parents so they can help

> Take a couple of years off of work

These options are available to a vanishingly small percentage of working people, at least in the USA. OP must know this, so why even mentions these outlandish options?

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