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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by bix6 »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #366
bix6 wrote: post #54

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Do nothing investors who enabled the company to reach this point? Employees who chose lower salaries in expectation of shares being worth something? Come on now.

> Do nothing investors who enabled the company to reach this point? Were you under the impression that venture capital is anything more than rent-seeking?

Sure if you want to be negative about it and only look at the worst VCs. But the best VCs provide significant value outside capital and can be instrumental in a startups success or failure.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by firecall »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Unless I’m understanding it wrong, the Tab Completion in Cursor isn’t a moat anymore.

VSCode & CoPilot now offer it.

Is it as good? Maybe not.

But they are really working hard over there at Copilot and seem to be catching up.

I get an Edu license for Copilot, so just ditched Cursor!

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by pembrook »

dostick wrote: post #354
AJ007 wrote: post #238

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Pretty easy to hit $100 an hour using Opus on API credits. The model providers are heavily subsidized, the datacenters appear to be too. If you look at the Coreweave stuff and the private datacenters it starts looking like the telecom bubble. Even Meta is looking to finance datacenter expansion - https://www.reuters.com/business/meta-seeks-29-billion-priva... The reason they are talking about building new nuclear pow…

Why “no capitalism required”? Competition of this kind is only possible with capitalism.

Have you been human before? competition for resources and status is an instinctive trait.

It rears its head regardless of what sociopolitical environment you place us in.

You’re either competing to offer better products or services to customers…or you’re competing for your position in the breadline or politburo via black markets.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by mindwok »

warmedcookie wrote: post #245
cpursley wrote: post #7

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Those wrappers are gonna go away now that there's Claude Code and Googles CLI thing. They are that much better.

Are they? Cursor's Accept / Reject feature for each change it makes in each file is nice whereas I have to use a diff tool to review the changes in Claude Code. Also, if I go down a prompt alley that's a dead end, Cursor has the Restore Checkpoint feature to get back to the original prompt and try a different path. With Claude Code, you had better have committed the code to git, otherwise you end up with a mess you d…

None of these features are very deep though, there’s dozens of OSS clones for them already.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by throwaway2037 »

e1g wrote: post #338
foolishgame wrote: post #253

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I am curious what kind of code development you are doing with so many subscriptions? Are you doing front end backend full stack or model development itself? Are you destilling models for training your own? I have never heard someone using so much subscription? Is this for your full time job or startup? Why not use qwen or deep seek and host it yourself? I am impressed with what you are doing.

I’m a founder/CTO of an enterprise SaaS, and I code everything from data modeling, to algos, backend integrations, frontend architecture, UI widgets, etc. All in TypeScript, which is perfectly suited to LLMs because we can fit the types and repo map into context without loading all code. As to “why”: I’ve been coding for 25 years, and LLMs is the first technology that has a non-linear impact on my output. It’s simult…

    > I’ve written millions of lines of revenue generating code
This is a wild claim.

Approx 250 working days in a year. 25 years coding. Just one million lines would be phenom output, at 160 lines per day forever. Now you are claiming multiple millions? Come on.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by andrewingram »

firecall wrote: post #472
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Unless I’m understanding it wrong, the Tab Completion in Cursor isn’t a moat anymore. VSCode & CoPilot now offer it. Is it as good? Maybe not. But they are really working hard over there at Copilot and seem to be catching up. I get an Edu license for Copilot, so just ditched Cursor!

I agree it has a good chance of catching up, but the difference in quality is pretty noticeable today. I'd much rather stick with vscode, because I hate all the subtle ways Cursor changes the UI; like taking over the keyboard shortcut for clearing the scrollback in the terminal. But I find it's pretty hard to use Copilot's tab completion after using Cursor for a while.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by raincole »

atakan_gurkan wrote: post #394
sebmellen wrote: post #291

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He blocked me (a relative nobody) on X for remarking on the number of people I know who’ve made it to YC on completely fraudulent credentials.

His reaction seems entirely appropriate. He could ignore you, but then you might keep replying to his posts and potentially spread incorrect but damaging information. He is losing close to zero by blocking you, but preventing a potential big loss. Why did you make that remark, if not to damage YC's reputation? This does not seem like the correct approach, if you wanted to improve their selection process.

Well, incorrect or not, now that person has a very strong motivation to talk bad about YC. Smart "reaction."

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Post by redhale »

extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Cursor's multi-file tab completion and multi-file diff experience are worth $20 easily IMO.

I truly do not understand people's affinity for a CLI interface for coding agents. Scriptability I understand, but surely we could agree that CC with Cursor's UX would be superior to CC's terminal alone, right? That's why CC is pushing IDE integration -- they're just not there yet.

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Post by blackoil »

whatevaa wrote: post #346
edoceo wrote: post #239

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The cost of the fork isn't creating it, it's maintaining it. But maybe AI could help :/

The cost of vscode fork is that microsoft has restricted extension marketplace for forks. You have to maintain separate one, that is the real dealbreaker

Eclipse maintains a public repo.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by leptons »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #331
bilsbie wrote: post #295

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Is there a cheap version for hobbyists? Or what’s the best thing for hobbyists to use, just cut and paste?

Claude Code with a Claude subscription is the cheap version for current SOTA. "Agentic" workflows burn through tokens like there's no tomorrow, and the new Opus model is so expensive per-token that the Max plan pays itself back in one or two days of moderate usage. When people reports their Claude Code sessions costing $100+ per day , I read that as the API price equivalent - it makes no sense to actually "pay as you…

>less time spent fighting with and cleaning up after the AI.

I've yet to use anything but copilot in vscode, which is 1/2 the time helpful, and 1/2 wasting my time. For me it's almost break-even, if I don't count the frustration it causes.

I've been reading all these AI-related comment sections and none of it is convincing me there is really anything better out there. AI seems like break-even at best, but usually it's just "fighting with and cleaning up after the AI", and I'm really not interested in doing any of that. I was a lot happier when I wasn't constantly being shown bad code that I need to read and decide about, when I'm perfectly capable of writing the code myself without the hasle of AI getting in my way.

AI burnout is probably already a thing, and I'm close to that point already. I do not have hope that it will get much better than it is, as the core of the tech is essentially just a guessing game.

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