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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by seethedeaduu » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 9:32 PM UTC

trealira wrote: post #464

const_cast wrote: post #460

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I think comparing LGBTQ+ identifications with mental illness is dangerous. Not too long ago we were quick to lump homosexuality in with these, despite the fact homosexuality is more of a state of being evidenced by real-life actions people willingly take. That being, sex with the same sex. Transgender people often suffer gender dysphoria. You're correct that it's possible that gender dysphoria might be a downstream e…

> Transgender people often suffer gender dysphoria. That's the definition of it. > You're correct that it's possible that gender dysphoria might be a downstream effect of society. Namely, we are an extremely gender-segregated society. I'm not saying that it's that simple and all transgender people would disappear if we live in a society with no gender roles or expectations, but certainly they heavily feel the pressur…

> That's the definition of it.

I have seen multiple competing definitions.

- People who are transitioning socially

- People who are transitioning medically (hrt)

- People who have transitioned surgically (depends what surgeries the person that says it considers necessary)

- Using some biological distinguisher (this lets you refer to people who are currently repressing as trans, and makes it an inherent property of a person that was predetermined)

- People who want to transition (socially, hormonally, surgically)

- People who have dysphoria

- People who have an f64 diagnosis

Etc

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by Retric » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 9:37 PM UTC

pseudalopex wrote: post #450

Retric wrote: post #449

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No that’s not what I just said. Spectrums extend continuously from normal to disorders. So if you believe depression is a spectrum you must also believe that no treatment is necessary for some people with depression. However if depression is a disorder there may be some cases that are on the margins that aren’t quite depression that still warrant some forms of treatment.

Your definition of spectrum is not standard. And the disorder called depression commonly is called major depressive disorder clinically.

I could list a bunch of sources supporting what I just said but I’ll just say.

https://www.ifeet.org/files/DSM-5-TR.pdf

DSM V has depression as depressive disorders, but lists “Schizophrenia Spectrum” and “Autism Spectrum” so I invite you to consider what distinction for spectrum is being used.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by thelettuce » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 10:24 PM UTC

To those with a bit more age and life experience than myself, I ask if you have noticed a rise in "categorical thinking" over time. To clarify, I mean thought processes that are mostly surface level and focus on attributing qualities or conclusions to things based on observable characteristics. Sort of "they display x so they must be y which means z"

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by nradov » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 10:25 PM UTC

stevenAthompson wrote: post #453

intended wrote: post #253

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What about diagnoses in countries which do not have any of these support systems?

This is a really great question. I checked. Turns out that the poorer a nation is, the less reported autism they have. That could be because there is no benefit to the diagnosis or it could be because they have less healthcare in general and a real diagnosis can easily take 4-8 hours of clinical time. Interesting either way. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9386174/

Or it could be because poorer countries actually have lower rates of autism. I'm not claiming that's the case, just that we don't have any reliable data on it one way or the other.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by nradov » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 10:35 PM UTC

const_cast wrote: post #457

samdoesnothing wrote: post #389

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No that is ridiculous. Stop blaming capitalism for every problem in the world, it just makes you look childish. Especially when it comes to alcoholism. As if the soviet union was a bastion of soberness with a high bar or something.

> Stop blaming capitalism for every problem in the world, it just makes you look childish. Economics is intertwined with every other study. We can't pretend socio-economics isn't real, social interactions fuel the economy and the economy influences our social interactions. Also, making connections to way capitalism might fuel addictive disorders, such as, say, talking about advertising of alcohol and tobacco, does NO…

If you want to criticize capitalism on a website run by literal capitalists then the onus is on you to propose a better alternative. So far none of the other economic systems that humans have applied at scale have worked out better. I mean Islamic fundamentalist theocracies have lower rates of alcoholism but that advantage comes with some pretty severe downsides.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by nradov » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 10:46 PM UTC

seethedeaduu wrote: post #363

marsten wrote: post #227

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The problem isn't that time blindness is a fake issue. The problem is that many people incorrectly self-diagnose as suffering from conditions like time blindness. Which they do for a variety of reasons: To externalize accountability for why they're late, to feel special, and so on. A comparison is the large number of people who claim "gluten sensitivity" and maintain special diets. Now there are serious medical condi…

I assume that your solution is having a professional diagnosis. Sadly this doesn't really work due to the current state of psychiatry where many people with legitimate issues are being denied a diagnosis and treatment (see for example: trans healthcare and gatekeeping, adhd healthcare, etc). It is even more weird because often when you go to two different doctors you will get different results. Not to mention that us…

No that's not how it usually works. People with a serious mental health condition don't usually start with self diagnosis. Instead they are referred to a mental health practitioner by another healthcare provider, a school administrator, or the criminal justice system because they are unable to function effectively in society. Many mental health conditions impair the type of objective metacognition needed to reliably self diagnose in the first place.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by nradov » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 10:59 PM UTC

Lewton wrote: post #398

nradov wrote: post #301

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Do or do not, there is no "try". If you know you have to leave home at 7:00 AM to avoid being late then just set an alarm at that time. When it goes off then walk out the door, even if you're in the middle of some other task. Like if you're brewing coffee then just unplug the machine and leave: no coffee for you today. Don't allow yourself the opportunity to get distracted. Simple.

I’m not arguing against your basic point as I completely agree arriving on time is my own responsibility, but when I do what you suggest, i forget my house keys lol

If you can you might want to install a door lock that uses a code number instead of a key.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by mcdeltat » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 11:07 PM UTC

nradov wrote: post #326

apples_oranges wrote: post #208

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I think you are right with chronic vs immediate stressors. Economic anxiety could be the big one, and people don’t see the end of the tunnel.

Medieval peasants didn't see the end of the tunnel either. I'm skeptical that the type and quantity of stress is really worse now.

Medieval peasantry times may already be well into the "abstract chronic stress" period. Humans have been around a while.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by nradov » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 11:12 PM UTC

ryanjshaw wrote: post #319

Walf wrote: post #222

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Sorry, but you clearly have no idea what it's like to actually deal with this, at all. If I try to be on time to things, I will be stupidly early, or still think I have time to do tasks A & B before doing C, because they invariably take more or less time than I estimate. Or I start doing tasks X & Y, because I'm easily distracted, you know because it's a deficit in attention. Don't trivialise what you don't understan…

I’m sorry people are so dismissive of your reality. I really don’t understand why they feel a need to insist you are just lazy when you are clearly intelligent and hard working, but struggling due to wiring you can’t directly control.

People aren't being dismissive. The point is that whether someone is intelligent and hard working is utterly irrelevant to everyone else, especially in a work environment. What matters are results, not inner qualities.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by nradov » Mon, Jul 07, 2025, 11:24 PM UTC

dgb23 wrote: post #387

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #304

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>The feedback of reality will fix it, like for all young people. "A child who isn't disciplined at home, will be disciplined outside of the home" - old African proverb. The issue is kids growing up without being taught accountability, but instead that they're perpetual victims of "the system" created by evil old white men, and therefore nothing they do is ever their fault. This is the fault of the parents, school sys…

I've seen this kind of thing and it annoys me to no end. However that seems to be a small minority among many. But the majority of young adults are rightfully asking hard questions. Why should they suffer the consequences of political and corporate mismanagement ? Why is accountability rarely invoked when it comes to people in power? Why is it OK for old disgruntled people to yell at them for things they have nothing…

Who is "us"? Youths are welcome to get as mad as they like but seething with impotent rage and posting hot takes on social media isn't going to get them anywhere. If they want to improve the world then first they'll have to work hard and pay their dues just like every other generation before them.

Or they could try to start a revolution, but frankly most of them are too weak and fragile to attempt anything that involves real sacrifice and risk.