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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by iwontberude »

rectang wrote: post #460
Arainach wrote: post #398

Why was the title of this post changed long after posting to something that doesn't match the article title? This editorializing goes directly against HN Guidelines (but was presumably done by the HN team?)

When titles are changed, the intent as I understand it is to nudge discussion towards thoughtful exchange. Discussion is forever threatening to spin out of control towards flame wars and the moderators work hard to prevent that. I think that if you want to understand why it might be helpful to change the title, consider how well "NVIDIA is full of shit" follows the HN comment guidelines. I don't imagine you will agre…

I don't see how changing the title has encouraged thoughtful exchange when the top comments are talking about the change to the title. Seems better to let moderators do their job when there is an actual problem with thoughtful exchange instead of creating one.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by [deleted] »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #447
theshackleford wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A system from 2017/2018 with an 8700K and an 8GB 2080 performs so closely to the top end, expensive systems today This is in no way true and is quite an absurd claim. Unless you meant for some specific isolated purposed restricted purely to yourself and your performance needs. > there are very few use cases I can think of needing more than a 30 series card right now. How about I like high refresh and high resolutio…

I have this exact CPU sans a 3090 (I started with 2080 but upgraded due to local AI needs). 8700k is perfectly fine for todays workloads. CPUs have stagnated and also the amount of RAM in systems has too (Apple still macbook air defaults of 8 GB in 2025??????)

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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Zambyte »

dandanua wrote: post #458
Arainach wrote: post #398

Why was the title of this post changed long after posting to something that doesn't match the article title? This editorializing goes directly against HN Guidelines (but was presumably done by the HN team?)

Haven't you figured out the new global agenda yet? Guidelines (and rules) exist only to serve the masters.

New as of which millennium?

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by marcellus23 »

Jabrov wrote: post #50
porphyra wrote: post #41

The article complains about issues with consumer GPUs but those are nowadays relegated to being merely a side hobby project of Nvidia, whose core business is enterprise AI chips. Anyway Nvidia still has no significant competition from AMD on either front so they are still getting away with this. Deceptive marketing aside, it's true that it's sad that we can't get 4K 60 Hz with ray tracing with current hardware withou…

I get ray tracing at 4K 60Hz with my 4090 just fine

What game? And with no upscaling or anything?

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by elzbardico »

j_timberlake wrote: post #448
throwaway290 wrote: post #426

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I think it's pretty obvious. People were investing like crazy into Nvidia on the "AI" gamble. Now everybody needs to keep hyping up Nvidia and AI no matter reality. (Until it starts to become obvious and then the selloff starts)

Literally every single anti-AI comment I see on this site uses a form of the word "hype". You cannot make an actual objective argument against the AI-wave predictions, so you use the word hype and pretend that's a real argument and not just ranting.

I work with AI, I consider generative AI an incredible tool in our arsenal of computing things.

But, in my opinion, the public expectations in my opinion are clearly exaggerated and sometimes even dangerous as we ran the risk of throwing the baby with the bathwater when some ideas/marketing/vc people ideas become not realizable in the concrete world.

Why, having this outlook, I should be banned of using the very useful word/concept of "hype"?

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by infocollector »

arcanus wrote: post #203
voxleone wrote: post #148

It’s reasonable to argue that NVIDIA has a de facto monopoly in the field of GPU-accelerated compute, especially due to CUDA (Compute Unified Device Architecture). While not a legal monopoly in the strict antitrust sense (yet), in practice, NVIDIA's control over the GPU compute ecosystem — particularly in AI, HPC, and increasingly in professional content creation — is extraordinarily dominant.

> NVIDIA's control over the GPU compute ecosystem — particularly in AI, HPC The two largest supercomputers in the world are powered by AMD. I don't think it's accurate to say Nvidia has monopoly on HPC Source: https://top500.org/lists/top500/2025/06/

It’s misleading to cite two government-funded supercomputers as evidence that NVIDIA lacks monopoly power in HPC and AI:

- Government-funded outliers don’t disprove monopoly behavior. The two AMD-powered systems on the TOP500 list—both U.S. government funded—are exceptions driven by procurement constraints, not market dynamics. NVIDIA’s pricing is often prohibitive, and its dominance gives it the power to walk away from bids that don’t meet its margins. That’s not competition—it’s monopoly leverage.

- Market power isn't disproven by isolated wins. Monopoly status isn’t defined by having every win, but by the lack of viable alternatives in most of the market. In commercial AI, research, and enterprise HPC workloads, NVIDIA owns an overwhelming share—often >90%. That kind of dominance is monopoly-level control.

- AMD’s affordability is a symptom, not a sign of strength. AMD's lower pricing reflects its underdog status in a market it struggles to compete in—largely because NVIDIA has cornered not just the hardware but the entire CUDA software stack, developer ecosystem, and AI model compatibility. You don't need 100% market share to be a monopoly—you need control. NVIDIA has it.

In short: pointing to a couple of symbolic exceptions doesn’t change the fact that NVIDIA’s grip on the GPU compute stack—from software to hardware to developer mindshare—is monopolistic in practice.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by card_zero »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #470
tyre wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay let’s take off the tin foil hat for a second. HN has a very strong moderation team with years and years of history letting awkward (e.g. criticism of YC, YC companies) things stand.

I thought HN was a dingle moderator, dang, and now I think there may be 2 people?

That's correct, dang has offloaded some of the work to tomhow, another dingle.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by rectang »

mindslight wrote: post #465
rectang wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When titles are changed, the intent as I understand it is to nudge discussion towards thoughtful exchange. Discussion is forever threatening to spin out of control towards flame wars and the moderators work hard to prevent that. I think that if you want to understand why it might be helpful to change the title, consider how well "NVIDIA is full of shit" follows the HN comment guidelines. I don't imagine you will agre…

I agree with your explanation, but I think it's a hollow rationale. "Full of shit" is a bit aggressive and divisive, but the thesis is in the open and there is plenty of room to expand on it in the actual post. Whereas "Nvidia won" is actually just as divisive and in a way has more implied aggression (of a fait accompli), it's just cloaked in using less vulgar language.

The new title, “Nvidia won, we all lost”, is taken from a subheading in the actual article, which is something I’ve often seen dang recommend people do when faced with baity or otherwise problematic titles.

https://blog.sebin-nyshkim.net/posts/nvidia-is-full-of-shit/...

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by camel-cdr »

fithisux wrote: post #420

NVidia won? Not for me. I prefer Intel offerings. Open and Linux friendly. I even hope they would release the next gen Risc-V boards with Intel Graphics.

A RISC-V board with NVIDIA graphics is more likely: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/KiV13GqXGMZfZjopY0Xxpg

NVIDIA Keynote from the upcoming RISC-V Summit China: "Enabling RISC-V application processors in NVIDIA compute platforms"

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