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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by leereeves »

roenxi wrote: post #452
davidguetta wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress They are arguing there's an insurrenction in California.

We can actually read the argument, I don't know why people are linking to CNN: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/06/depa... The argument seems to be more of a no-confidence move because the Californians can't keep order. They'll presumably treat the wording seriously but I think the "form of rebellion" is more a jab at the people who keep harping on about insurrections. Looks like a bad argument fr…

That's from June 7th, before the deployment of Marines. It only justifies the federalization of the National Guard, but as far as that goes, it appears to be a very reasonable interpretation of the law:

Whenever...the President is unable with the regular forces to execute the laws of the United States; the President may call into Federal service members and units of the National Guard of any State in such numbers as he considers necessary to ... execute those laws.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/12406

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Post by sebastiennight »

Y_Y wrote: post #351
lordnacho wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I hate to disparage a large group of people, but how often have you spoken to an American who understands this type of social-legal history of the country, and values it? Although I know quite a lot of (what I consider) well-educated Americans, it is also the only country from which I regularly meet the type of person who doesn't care at all about how society works (also, technology, history, art, etc). You'll p…

> You'll probably find that HN-person is the kind of person who values this kind of argument, but HN-world is quite small. The nice thing about the HN Small World is that it can be efficiently searched. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_navigable_small_w...

Well, one would have guessed that the service powering HN search would know about HNSW: https://www.algolia.com/blog/ai/a-simple-guide-to-ai-search

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by lenkite »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #261
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #253

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LA is actively supporting illegal immigrants. If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it.

> If you want something like this to work, federal agents need to do it Doing the arrests? Sure. Intimidating protesters for partisan messaging while desecrating the honour of our armed forces? No.

Technically, ICE were carrying out arrests for cartel activity and money laundering by illegals as Tom Homan pointed out. They were executing criminal warrants. Then they were attacked. LAPD never came to help them.

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Post by thrawa8387336 »

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

There would be turbo-inflation

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

Bender wrote: post #437
CobrastanJorji wrote: post #358

Because the CNN article seems to have accidentally omitted it, allow me to paste the full text of 18 U.S. Code § 1385, the Posse Comitatus Act: > Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army, the Navy, the Marine Corps, the Air Force, or the Space Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fi…

Active duty can guard federal buildings and federal agents. Not sure that is how they will use them. When I was active duty I assisted in multiple weather related catastrophic events and I am glad they did not argue against our use. We helped many citizens in a time the national guard would not have been sufficient.

That is a really hopeful read of the situation. But, all we have is hope.

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Post by thomasingalls »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #440
thomasingalls wrote: post #313

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Even this supreme court has said the way in which ice is "doing the work" that they're doing isn't constitutional. As in, the way in which "federal agents need to do it" is being done right now is literally illegal. Hence, protests. This isn't rocket science

One case brought before the Supreme Court was the humanitarian legal status for migrants, which it was struck down and they can be sent back. The other was about the deportations, which the court said they need to serve deportees a notice of deportation before they are actually deported. There is no ruling that says ICE can't go after them wherever they are and arrest them.

so you agree

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

Larrikin wrote: post #224

If illegal immigration is such a problem, why not fine businesses 5x salary for using the labor, for as long as it was used? There are a lot of systems in place to verify working status at this point. It eliminates any incentive to hire this cheaper labor willing to work for lower wages. The people coming will be coming for a variety of reasons but it won't be to take the jobs of the uneducated Americans

Yep. That is the real message here. Corporations are the ones that hire immigrants, to pay less. And Corporations are the ones that off shore manufacturing, to pay less to foreign workers. But lets blame the workers, for working?

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #417
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #233

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This is what Canada mostly does and it’s super effective, the problem is that the people who employ illegal immigrants: farmers, construction contractors, hotel owners, etc…belong to the same party pushing against illegal immigration, they would basically be punishing themselves, so it isn’t going to happen.

Doesn't post-pandemic Canada have the highest rate of legal immigration in years since government gives out immigration visas like candy? I can't see how this is good in a country that already has a stagnating economy and a housing crisis. You're eroding the bargaining power of local labor and increasing competition for housing in an already tight market.

They were slow to let off the gas pedal after the labour shortages during COVID. There's been a massive swing in the other direction now.
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