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When they figure out how to make it not dent sales of individual devices. If you and your spouse could easily share one around the house for different purposes but still having each of your personal apps and settings, you might not buy two!

We use iPads interchangeably. All personal apps like banking are on phones. Some apps that only I would use such as for the roomba and car are on both. Having profiles for the kids however would be nice though. But most apps have that built in themselves.

>Having profiles for the kids however would be nice though.

I find this madness that apple doesnt have this already.

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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The video on Containerization.framework, and the Container tool, is live [0]. It looks like each container will run in its own VM, that will boot into a custom, lightweight init called vminitd that is written in Swift. No information on what Linux kernel they're using, or whether these VMs are going to be ARM only or also Intel, but I haven't really dug in yet [1]. [0] https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2025…

If you search the code, they support Rosetta, which means an ARM Linux kernel running x86 container userspace with Rosetta translation. Linux kernel can be told to use a helper to translate code using non-native architecture.

Actually, they explain it in detail here: https://github.com/apple/containerization/issues/70#issuecom...

It's unclear whether this will keep being supported in macOS 28+, though: https://github.com/apple/container/issues/76, https://www.reddit.com/r/macgaming/comments/1l7maqp/comment/...

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The direction the software engineering is going in with this whole "vibe coding" thing is so depressing to me. I went into this industry because I grew up fascinated by computers. When I learned how to code, it was about learning how to control these incredible machines. The joy of figuring something out by experimenting is quickly being replaced by just slamming it into some "generative" tool. I have no idea where t…

This sounds like a boomer trying to resist using Google in favor of encyclopedias. Vibe coding can be whatever you want to make of it. If you want to be prescriptive about your instructions and use it as a glorified autocomplete, then do it. You can also go at it from a high-level point of view. Either way, you still need to code review the AI code as if it was a PR.

Is any AI assisted coding === Vibe Coding now?

Coding with an AI can be whatever one can achieve, however I don’t see how vibe coding would be related to an autocomplete: with an autocomplete you type a bit of code that a program (AI or not) complete. In VC you almost doesn’t interact with the editor, perhaps only for copy/paste or some corrections. I’m not even sure for the manual "corrections" parts if we take Simon Willinson definition [0], which you’re not forced to obviously, however if there’s contradictory views I’ll be glad to read them.

0 > If an LLM wrote every line of your code, but you've reviewed, tested, and understood it all, that's not vibe coding in my book—that's using an LLM as a typing assistant

https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/03/is-vibe-coding-with-ai-gn...

(Your may also consider rethinking your first paragraph up to HN standards because while the content is pertinent, the form sounds like a youngster trying to demo iKungFu on his iPad to Jackie Chan)

Re: Apple announces Foundation Models and Containerization frameworks, etc

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The direction the software engineering is going in with this whole "vibe coding" thing is so depressing to me. I went into this industry because I grew up fascinated by computers. When I learned how to code, it was about learning how to control these incredible machines. The joy of figuring something out by experimenting is quickly being replaced by just slamming it into some "generative" tool. I have no idea where t…

This sounds like a boomer trying to resist using Google in favor of encyclopedias. Vibe coding can be whatever you want to make of it. If you want to be prescriptive about your instructions and use it as a glorified autocomplete, then do it. You can also go at it from a high-level point of view. Either way, you still need to code review the AI code as if it was a PR.

No, this sounds like an IC resisting becoming a manager.

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On Android devices with AVB (so basically everything nowadays), once the bootloader is unlocked, so many things already either lock you out or degrade your service in various ways. For example, Netflix will downgrade you to 480p, Google Pay will stop working, many apps will just straight up disappear from the Play Store because SafetyNet will stop passing (especially on newer devices with hardware attestation), banki…

This is a pretty wild take. Its reasonable to install a different OS on Android, even if some features don't work. I've done this, my friends and family have done this, I've seen it IRL. I've never seen anyone do this on iPhone in my entire life. But I flipped and I'm a Google hater. Expensive phones and no aux port. At least I can get cheap androids still.

> I've never seen anyone do this on iPhone in my entire life.

My comment's about macOS. Even though it's a completely different market segment than Android, I'm only using Android as an example.

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This is a pretty wild take. Its reasonable to install a different OS on Android, even if some features don't work. I've done this, my friends and family have done this, I've seen it IRL. I've never seen anyone do this on iPhone in my entire life. But I flipped and I'm a Google hater. Expensive phones and no aux port. At least I can get cheap androids still.

Whats an aux port?

Headphone jack.

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I'm still a little dissapointed. It seems those models are only available for iPhone series 16 and iPhone 15 pro. According to mixpanel that's only 25% of all iOS devices and even less if taking into account iPadOS. You will still have to use some other online model if you want to cover all iOS 26 users because I doubt apple will approve your app if it will only work on those Apple Intelligence devices. Why should I…

Why would anyone bother with Apple. Let their product deteriorate and die. It only takes one product to get people off iphone and theyre (tim) cooked.

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I think practically everyone is better off with a laptop. iPad is great if you're an artist using the pencil, or just consuming media on it. Otherwise a macbook is far more powerful and ergonomic to use.

I think perhaps you are overestimating the computing needs of the majority of the population. Get one of the iPad cases with a keyboard and an iPad is in many ways a better laptop.

The problem is that almost everything, including basic web browsing, is straight-up worse on the iPad. Weird incompatibilities, sites that don’t honor desktop mode, tabs unloading from memory, random reloads, etc. all mar the experience.

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Yes, but only if it's enrolled in MDM, bizarrely enough.

> Yes, but only if it's enrolled in MDM, bizarrely enough In education or corporate settings, where account management is centralized, you want each person who uses an iPad to access their own files, email, etc.

Same applies to “families” and it’s somewhat bizarre that this is still ignored in 2025.

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they mention kata, so is this using kata underneath instead of their Hypervisor.framework? im confused https://katacontainers.io/ https://developer.apple.com/documentation/hypervisor

Repo says it uses Hypervisor.framework on Apple Silicon devices.

ah ty i should have read more
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