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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by dlisboa »

anton-c wrote: post #464
dlisboa wrote: post #449

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You don't need to make an entire movie out of this. One or two scenes that are difficult or impossible to film on a certain budget is enough to lift the production value of a movie. One can use this as CGI replacement, for example to produce a couple seconds scene of an ancient city and stretch that out with fake panning. You can also use it as a communication tool such as making a "live" storyboard to prep location,…

That storyboard idea is pretty huge. Imagine dailies go in the other direction - "here's how I want it to look"

Yeah, I did an amateur short once as part of a college assignment and doing the storyboard was the most difficult part for me as I'm not a good drawer at all. Getting the idea for a certain shot from my head to the paper was a struggle.

Being able to express visual ideas with words is one of the most powerful things of this AI craze. Text/code is whatever.

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Post by IanCal »

oliwary wrote: post #408

This demo video of Veo 3 on reddit, featuring a variety of characters talking in different scenarios and accents, is one of the most incredible AI demos I have ever seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1krmsns/wtf_ai_vid... Created by Ari Kuschnir

Good lord.

I think the change here will be something we've seen with the other modalities. Text was interestingly syntactically correct but nonsense sentences. Then paragraphs but the end of the article would go off the rails. Then the article. Now it's that the creativity of the children's story in question.

Pictures were awful fever dreams filled with eyes but you could kind of see a dog. Then you could see what it was, then decent

Videos were fun that they kind of worked, then surprising it took a few seconds for the panda to turn into spaghetti, then it kept the general style for a decent time.

I see this moving towards the creativity being the major thing, or it having a few general styles (softly lit background for example).

This has mostly all shifted in a very short space of time and as someone who put RBMs on GPUs possibly for the first time (I'm gonna claim it) this is absolutely wild.

Had I seen some of this, say, 6 months ago I'd not have guessed at all bits weren't real.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Post by Flamentono2 »

bamboozled wrote: post #328
brunoborges wrote: post #327

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"Growing fast" is questionable these days. There is an ever growing percentage of new AI-generated videos among every set of daily uploads. How long until more than half of uploads in a day are AI-generated?

In the future, a new intelligent species will roam the earth, they will ask, "why did their civilization fall?" The answer? These homo-sapiens strip mined the Earth and exacerbated climate change to generate enough power to make amusing cat videos...

We don't have an energy problem on earth. We have a capitalism problem.

Renewable energy is easily able to provide enough energy sustainable. Batteries can be recycled. Solar panels are glas/plastic and silicium.

Nuclear is feasable, fusion will happen in 50 years one way or the other.

Existens is what it is. If it means being able to watch cat videos, so be it. We are not watching them for nothing, we watch them for happiness.

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Post by GenshoTikamura »

hooverd wrote: post #332
BosunoB wrote: post #198

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Robotics will come in the next few years. If you believe the AI2027 guys, though, the majority of work will be automated in the next 10 years, which seems more and more plausible to me every day.

Are you independently wealthy enough to benefit from that or someone who should invest in suicide pills for themselves and their family if that day comes?

Some people haven't overcome their childhood desire to die or suffer so as to make the parents regret their decision not to buy that candy or take the puppy home. They imagine dismal future as a glorified way to suffer. Talk about cyberpunk - there's that sweet alluring promise to spend a whole life eating instant ramen sitting next to a window with a blinking neon sign and endless rain behind it, coding routinely to a lofi soundtrack, or lurking lonesomely about the techno-slum neighbourhood hiding their faces from CCTV behind masks

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Post by sofixa »

jclardy wrote: post #442
mrklol wrote: post #376

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Why should YouTube be here at the advantage? Every competitor also has access to these videos(?)

Google is making money hosting these videos, and users are freely uploading them. A competitor would have to scrape/download them, store them, process them all at their own cost, along with having much less metadata available (Which videos are most viewed, which segments, what do people repeat, what do people skip, what do people watch after this video, which video generates the most ad revenue, etc.)

> Google is making money hosting these videos

This isn't certain. Google do not break out Youtube revenues nor costs. Hosting this amount of videos, globally, redundantly, the vast majority of which are basically never watched, cannot be cheap.

It's entirely plausible that Google's wider benefit from Youtube (such as training video generation algorithms and better behaviour tracking for better targeted ads across the internet) are enough to compensate for Youtube in particular losing money.

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Post by Flamentono2 »

jjcm wrote: post #66

It finally feels like the professional tools have greatly outpaced the open source versions. While wan and hunyuan are solid free options, the latest from Google and Runway have started to feel like a league above. Interestingly it feels like the biggest differentiator is editing tools - ability to prompt motion, direction, cuts, or weaving in audio, rather than just pure ability to one shot. These larger companies a…

We already have seen that Opensource can compete which is a lot more than people expected. After all opensource and running huge models?

But what it means, that with time, Opensource will be as good as what commercial offerings now have. Hardware will get cheaper, research is open or delayed open.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

oliwary wrote: post #408

This demo video of Veo 3 on reddit, featuring a variety of characters talking in different scenarios and accents, is one of the most incredible AI demos I have ever seen: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1krmsns/wtf_ai_vid... Created by Ari Kuschnir

Last night my girlfriend asked me why I kept watching the same bland sounding videos again and again. She came over and watched for a bit, gave a sort of confused laugh of solidarity to something, like "Uhh, why is he so into this? But, ok, I guess..." and then walked away.

It wasn't until I was able to get my jaw off the ground that I told her it was AI. No, not AI like special effects, completely AI.

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Post by sofixa »

sigmaisaletter wrote: post #252
echelon wrote: post #181

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> you're not going to get these results with a 14B video model Foundation models are starting to outstrip any consumer hardware we have. If Nvidia wants to stay ahead of Google's data center TPUs for running all of these advanced workloads, they should make edge GPU compute a priority. There's a future where everything is a thin client to Google's data centers. Nvidia should do everything in its power to prevent that…

Your post strangely sounds like Nvidia primarily makes graphic cards for consumers. Last time I checked, they couldn't produce enough H100s/GB100s to satisfy demand from everyone and their mother running a data center. And their most recent consumer hardware offerings have been repeatedly called a "paper launch" - probably because consumer hardware isn't a priority, given the price (and profit) delta.

I read their comment as meaning that Nvidia should prioritise a specific kind of consumer/prosumer hardware.

Nobody is running H100s at home, nor are most video companies running ones. So the choice for them is to "rent" them from Google, or... invest a lot in almost impossible to obtain Nvidia hardware? One has lower initial cost, and is available now.

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Post by Flamentono2 »

afroboy wrote: post #422

Can we talk about the elephant in the room, porn and i mean the weird and dangerous one? that moment in history of AI is going to happen and when it did shit will hit the fan.

AI porn already exist.

Im pretty sure kid/child ai porn already exist somewhere. But i'm quite lucky despite knowing rotten.com and plenty of other sides, never having seen real so i doubt i will see fake child porn.

Whats the elephant in the room now? Nothing changed. Whoever consumes real will consume fake too. FBI/CIA will still try to destroy cp rings.

We could even think it might make this situation somehow better because they might consume purely virtual cp?

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Post by Workaccount2 »

aloha2436 wrote: post #382
mrklol wrote: post #376

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Why should YouTube be here at the advantage? Every competitor also has access to these videos(?)

Easy access to the videos without having to download them from Google (and without Google trying to stop you from scraping them, which they will) is an enormous advantage. There's way, way too much on Youtube for to index and use over the internet, and especially not at full resolution.

That is the other perk, Google has all those videos stored in original quality locally.

It wouldn't be hard for google to poison competitor training just by throttling bandwidth.

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