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The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Post by okanat »

seventhtiger wrote: post #421
1oooqooq wrote: post #261

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i think everyone tried that. gpu (games etc) are the only thing holding windows relevant at this point. i have some 2012 projects were the makefiles also build in msvc. never again. then 2015 projects with build paths for cygwin. never again. then some 2019 projects with build scripts making choices to work on msys2/git-bash-for-windows. never again. now we can build on WSL with just some small changes to an env file…

It's the other way around. You can do very few productive things with Windows other than software development. Almost all other professional software assume Windows.

> You can do very few productive things with Windows other than software development.

I guess you meant Linux here

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Post by einpoklum »

jeroenhd wrote: post #35
behnamoh wrote: post #8

meanwhile Apple won't even make it easy to boot Asahi Linux on Apple Silicon.

Buying Apple hardware with the intent on running anything but what Apple wants you to run is setting yourself up for a battle, including trying to use non-Apple hardware with the hardware you purchased. It's why I'm not spending any personal money on Apple hardware. Could've been worse. At least they're not locking you out of your device like on iPhones and iPads. They don't stop you from running Asahi, they just are…

Obligatory: "Challenge accepted!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iOi_iPNC50

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Post by palata »

elif wrote: post #7

Every time I praise WSL on hn I pay the karma tax but I will die on this hill. WSL is more powerful than Linux because of how easy it is to run multiple OS on the same computer simultaneously. It's as powerful as Linux with some janky custom local docker wrappers for device support, local storage mapping, and network mapping. Except it's not janky at all. It's an absolute delight to use, out of the box, on a desktop…

> WSL is more powerful than Linux ...

Are you a Windows user who is happy to have a good way to run Linux on Windows, or are you a Linux user trying to convince other Linux user that instead of using Linux, they should use Linux in a VM running on Windows?

I am a longtime Linux user, and I can't see a reason in the universe why I would want to access my Linux through a VM on Windows. That seems absolutely insane.

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Post by const_cast »

resource_waste wrote: post #431
alex_smart wrote: post #180

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I don't think Microsoft losing the mind share has anything to do with software. Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware.

>Macbooks are winning the laptop war because of superior hardware. No. This is just you repeating marketing. No Nvidia chip = B tier at best. I have a $700 Asus with a 3060 that is better. Go ahead and scale up to a $2000 computer with an Nvidia chip and its so obviously better, there is nothing to debate. No one cares about performance per watt, its like someone ran a 5k race, came in 3rd and said "Well at least I b…

> No Nvidia chip = B tier at best.

Nvidia chip = 45 minutes of battery life

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Post by foresto »

jjcm wrote: post #290
nickserv wrote: post #244

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Just curious, which games gave you problems?

Overwatch is the big one - lots of random issues with it. But basically any game with Denuvo DRM is extremely high risk, resulting in either a ban or the game not running at all.

Can you remember any particular problems in Overwatch? I've been down that road, so there's a chance I might have some info that you would find useful.

One problem that was unsolved last time I checked: Saving highlight videos. It used to work if you told Overwatch to use webm format instead of mp4, but Blizzard broke that somewhere along the line, possibly in the transition to Overwatch 2. (I worked around this with OBS Studio and its replay buffer feature.)

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Post by okanat »

tacker2000 wrote: post #426
philshem wrote: post #199

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If you want to see the thread https://xcancel.com/richturn_ms/status/1245481405947076610?s...

Very interesting comment there: “ I still hope to see a true "Windows Subsystem for Linux" by Microsoft or a windows becoming a linux distribution itself and dropping the NT kernel to legacy. Windows is currently overloaded with features and does lack a package manager to only get what you need...”

NT is a better consumer kernel that Linux. It can survive many driver crashes that Linux cannot. Why should Microsoft drop a better kernel for a worse one?

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Post by SweetSoftPillow »

wpm wrote: post #381
yndoendo wrote: post #297

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My development is mainly Windows and I prefer Linux host with Windows VM guests. The experience is more stable and I can revert to a snapshot when Windows or Microsoft product update brakes something or new test configuration does. It also allows to backup and retain multiple QA environments that are rarely used, like a client's Oracle DB. It is nice being able to save the VM state at the end of the week and shut it…

> Windows has known issues of waking a sleeping laptop. Doesn't Linux as well?

I had these issues with Windows, but with Linux Mint it works perfectly.

Re: The Windows Subsystem for Linux is now open source

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Post by palata »

0x457 wrote: post #127
jchw wrote: post #56

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"More powerful than Linux" is silly. It's a VM. The most useful thing is that it does a bunch of convenience features for you. I am not suggesting that it is not extremely convenient, but it's not somehow more powerful than just using Linux. You know what's even more convenient than a VM? Not needing a VM and still having the exact same functionality. And you don't need a bunch of janky wrapper scripts, there's more…

> "More powerful than Linux" is silly. It's a VM. I don't think it's silly. Sure, it's a VM, but it's so nice that I barely reboot into Linux. You get the best of both worlds with WSL.

> You get the best of both worlds with WSL.

You obviously don't. Maybe WSL is the best compromise for people who need both Windows and Linux.

But it's ridiculous to think that WSL is better than just Linux for people who don't need Windows at all. And that's kind of what the author of this thread seems to imply.

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