Personally i'd prefer just a "lite" version of the main apps, excel, word, powerpoint...
i dont need the other programs and ALL of them contain a TON of features i'll never ever use (as a private person, not company of course)
Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
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Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#472Earlier quoted context omitted.
some of the modern software is slower because someone made a poor decision to fetch something from the network on the critical path of main functionality... kills me
Example: https://old.reddit.com/r/libreoffice/comments/upf8nw/fixed_o... Opening a spreadsheet, even if you don't want to print it, will hang for 30 seconds doing nothing, because LibreOffice will load the printer settings for the document, which means asking the printer, which if the printer is network-based and turned off, means a 30 second wait for a timeout. Reported in 2011, still not fixed: https://bugs.documen…
This... 100 times. Everyday wastes my few minutes. 5 figure commercial application, state of art in it's domain, but somehow It has to wait for that unresponsive network printer and hang the startup UI.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#473Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's so shitty and slow because it's a bloatware. Lucky for MS they are kind of a monopoly in the corporate world.
Office is like Jira: taken on its own, it sucks, but there are no real alternatives to it.
Apart from Excel, isn't google docs or libreoffice a viable alternative?
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
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My Linux desktop experience... I started with Linux installing it from floppy disks in about 1996. In 1995, I was back on Windows 95 within a week because I needed to get something done. In 2000, I was back on Windows 2000 within a week because I needed to get something done. In 2005, I was back on Windows XP within a week because I needed to get something done. In 2012, I was back on Windows 7 within a week because…
I've wasted like 8 hours in the last two days trying to upgrade windows 10 to 11 so my motherboards wifi drivers can be installed. It just worked in Linux. I don't get where this comes from, because every time I hit a problem in Linux, there's a solution. In windows, you get a vague hex error code that leads you to a support page where the error could be caused by one of a dozen reasons. And on top of that, MS is con…
So couple of issues there. Never upgrade windows. Fresh install only. Never had a good day upgrading it.
Secondly, there isn't always a solution in Linux. I've got one now where something is utterly broken and it's 5 layers of maintainers down and no one gives a shit.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#475Personally i'd prefer just a "lite" version of the main apps, excel, word, powerpoint... i dont need the other programs and ALL of them contain a TON of features i'll never ever use (as a private person, not company of course)
How do the apps know which features you'll use or not? How do they know which features were used in the document you're opening?
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#476Earlier quoted context omitted.
“View” unfortunately isn’t the same as “Open and edit”, and in business you need to do the latter. Otherwise we’d be 100% libreoffice from the start. Yep, that’s the moat.
It's been a while, but I think what they're saying is that you have to "save as" in order to be allowed to edit. Office 2003 thinks of the compressed versions as export formats rather than internal formats.
Yes that's what I meant. You can edit xlsx in Excel 2003; you open, modify and save as. It's a little annoying but it works.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#477At this point I view Windows as a legacy/compatibility OS, all the news about Windows is how they are making it worse for everyone. And using it now and then it feels like that too. Windows 10 Mail app had integration with system calendar, you would get itsycal built into the OS. Windows 11 removed that and made the OS Mail app spam infested shit, and they expect me to pay a subscription for something that comes bund…
Microsoft is never gonna give up on Windows NT "technology" no matter how bad it is and continues to be. They will continue to kick that dead horse until the company no longer exists. They genuinely port their UI (not the Windows 11 UI, it's horrible) and their apps to Linux. Release a Linux based OS, call it some shit like Windows Ultra not-shit edition. Accept Windows lost to Linux. God I hate Microsoft.
The NT kernel/executive are the best parts of the OS, better than Linux in various places. I wouldn't give those up -- I'd give the userland up with a 100% bug compatible Win32 shim.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#478What's old is new again. Microsoft introduced the "Office Startup Assistant" or "Office Startup Application" (osa.exe) in Office 97, it sat in the system tray and loaded the main office DLLs at startup: https://web.archive.org/web/20041214010329/http://support.mi... OpenOffice.org (predecessor of LibreOffice) copied this feature, which they called "QuickStarter", I don't know exactly when, but no later than 2003: htt…
Yeah, I'm honestly trying to figure out why this is getting so much attention. Applications setting themselves to start up at login in order to avoid doing a bunch of work when they're asked for later is one of the oldest patterns in Windows. It's annoying to regularly have to go in and clear out new startup applications, but it's been part of maintaining a Windows machine for decades, and Microsoft Office is hardly…
You're honestly trying to figure out why people want performant apps...?
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#479What's old is new again. Microsoft introduced the "Office Startup Assistant" or "Office Startup Application" (osa.exe) in Office 97, it sat in the system tray and loaded the main office DLLs at startup: https://web.archive.org/web/20041214010329/http://support.mi... OpenOffice.org (predecessor of LibreOffice) copied this feature, which they called "QuickStarter", I don't know exactly when, but no later than 2003: htt…
> OpenOffice.org (predecessor of LibreOffice) copied this feature, which they called "QuickStarter"
It still does. Neither LibreOffice itself nor it's installation process with its components choice have changed seriously since the old days and I'm very grateful for this. The QuickStarter isn't as relevant anymore as we have fast SSDs now but some slow computers are still around and that's great we still have the option.
Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup
#480Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah, I'm honestly trying to figure out why this is getting so much attention. Applications setting themselves to start up at login in order to avoid doing a bunch of work when they're asked for later is one of the oldest patterns in Windows. It's annoying to regularly have to go in and clear out new startup applications, but it's been part of maintaining a Windows machine for decades, and Microsoft Office is hardly…
You're honestly trying to figure out why people want performant apps...?
That's not at all what I asked.