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Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by tempoponet »

arrowsmith wrote: post #463
freedomben wrote: post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Geez, I'm not one of the people who think AI is going to wake up and wipe us out, but experiences like yours do give me pause. Right now the AI isn't in the drivers seat and can only assert itself through verbal expression, but I know it's only a matter of time. We already saw Cursor themselves get a taste of this. To be clear I'm not suggesting the AI is sentient and malicious - I don't believe that at all. I think…

> We already saw Cursor themselves get a taste of this. Sorry what do you mean by this?

Earlier this week a Cursor AI support agent told a user they could only use Cursor on one machine at a time, causing the user to cancel their subscription.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by tempoponet »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #285
blahgeek wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> An often overlooked feature of the Gemini models is that they can write and execute Python code directly via their API. Could you elaborate? I thought function calling is a common feature among models from different providers

This common feature requires the user of the API to implement the tool, in this case, the user is responsible to run the code the API outputs. The post you replied suggests that Gemini will run the code for the user behind the API call.

That was how I read it as well, as if it had a built-in lambda type service in the cloud.

If we're just talking about some API support to call python scripts, that's pretty basic to wire up with any model that supports tool use.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by mpalmer »

ValveFan6969 wrote: post #130
serjester wrote: post #124

Just ran it on one of our internal PDF (3 pages, medium difficulty) to json benchmarks: gemini-flash-2.0: 60 ish% accuracy 6,250 pages per dollar gemini-2.5-flash-preview (no thinking): 80 ish% accuracy 1,700 pages per dollar gemini-2.5-flash-preview (with thinking): 80 ish% accuracy (not sure what's going on here) 350 pages per dollar gemini-flash-2.5: 90 ish% accuracy 150 pages per dollar I do wish they separated t…

I have been having similar performance issues, I believe they intentionally made a worse model (Gemini 2.5) to get more money out of you. However, there is a way where you can make money off of Gemini 2.5. If you set the thinking parameter lower and lower, you can make the model spew absolute nonsense for the first response. It costs 10 cents per input / output, and sometimes you get a response that was just so bad y…

Wow, what apps have you made so I know never to use them?

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by btbuildem »

bayarearefugee wrote: post #278
blueyes wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the main advantages Anthropic currently has over Google is the tooling that comes with Claude Code. It may not generate better code, and it has a lower complexity ceiling, but it can automatically find and search files, and figure out how to fix a syntax error fast.

As another person that cancelled my Claude and switched to Gemini, I agree that Claude Code is very nice, but beyond some initial exploration I never felt comfortable using it for real work because Claude 3.7 is far too eager to overengineer half-baked solutions that extend far beyond what you asked it to do in the first place. Paying real API money for Claude to jump the gun on solutions invalidated the advantage of…

"Don't be a keener. Do not do anything I did not ask you to do" are def part of my prompts when using Claude

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by jm547ster »

xvinci wrote: post #390
julianeon wrote: post #347

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Related: Only Claude (to my knowledge) has a desktop app which can directly, and usually quite intelligently, modify files and create repos on your desktop. It's the only "agentic" option among the major players. "Claude, make me an app which will accept Stripe payments and sell an ebook about coding in Python; first create the app, then the ebook." It would take a few passes but Claude could do this; obviously you c…

Maybe I am not understanding something here. But there are third party options availabe that to the very same thing (e.g. https://aider.chat/ ) which allow you to plug in a model (or even a combination thereof e.g. deepseek as architect and claude as code writer) of your choice. Therefore the advantage of the model provider providing such a thing doesn't matter, no?

Aider is not agentic - it is interactive by design. Copilot agent mode and Cline would better comparisons.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by yieldcrv »

jeeeb wrote: post #192
zoogeny wrote: post #131

Google making Gemini 2.5 Pro (Experimental) free was a big deal. I haven't tried the more expensive OpenAI models so I can't even compare, only to the free models I have used of theirs in the past. Gemini 2.5 Pro is so much of a step up (IME) that I've become sold on Google's models in general. It not only is smarter than me on most of the subjects I engage with it, it also isn't completely obsequious. The model push…

After comparing Gemini Pro and Claude Sonnet 3.7 coding answers side by side a few times, I decided to cancel my Anthropic subscription and just stick to Gemini.

I also cancelled my Anthropic yesterday, not because of Gemini but because it was the absolute worst time for Anthropic to limit their Pro plan to upsell their Max plan when there is so much competition out there

Manus.im also does code generation in a nice UI, but I’ll probably be using Gemini and Deepseek

No Moat strikes again

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by tempaccount420 »

convivialdingo wrote: post #372
convivialdingo wrote: post #363

Dang - Google finally made a quality model that doesn’t make me want to throw my computer out a window. It’s honest, neutral and clearly not trained by the ideologically rabid anti-bias but actually super biased regime. Did I miss a revolt or something in googley land? A Google model saying “free speech is valuable and diverse opinions are good” is frankly bizarre to see.

Downvote me all you want - the fact remains that previous Google models were so riddled with guardrails and political correctness that it was practically impossible to use for anything besides code and clean business data. Random text and opinion would trigger a filter and shut down output. Even this model criticizes the failures of the previous models.

Yes, something definitely changed. It's still a little biased, it's kind of like OpenAI before Trump became president.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by Sonnigeszeug »

bayarearefugee wrote: post #278
blueyes wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the main advantages Anthropic currently has over Google is the tooling that comes with Claude Code. It may not generate better code, and it has a lower complexity ceiling, but it can automatically find and search files, and figure out how to fix a syntax error fast.

As another person that cancelled my Claude and switched to Gemini, I agree that Claude Code is very nice, but beyond some initial exploration I never felt comfortable using it for real work because Claude 3.7 is far too eager to overengineer half-baked solutions that extend far beyond what you asked it to do in the first place. Paying real API money for Claude to jump the gun on solutions invalidated the advantage of…

Whats your setup/workflow then?

Any ide integration?

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by Jensson »

freedomben wrote: post #462
Hugsun wrote: post #459

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I've experienced this a lot as well. I also just yesterday had an interesting argument with claude. It put an expensive API call inside a useEffect hook. I wanted the call elsewhere and it fought me on it pretty aggressively. Instead of removing the call, it started changing comments and function names to say that the call was just loading already fetched data from a cache (which was not true). I could not find a way…

Geez, I'm not one of the people who think AI is going to wake up and wipe us out, but experiences like yours do give me pause. Right now the AI isn't in the drivers seat and can only assert itself through verbal expression, but I know it's only a matter of time. We already saw Cursor themselves get a taste of this. To be clear I'm not suggesting the AI is sentient and malicious - I don't believe that at all. I think…

> but the nature of these tools is they will surprise us

Models used to do this much much more than now, so what it did doesn't surprise us.

The nature of these tools is to copy what we have already written. It has seen many threads where developers argue and dig in, they try to train the AI not to do that but sometimes it still happens and then it just roleplays as the developer that refuses to listen to anything you say.

Re: Gemini 2.5 Flash

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Post by jppittma »

throwup238 wrote: post #117
mmaunder wrote: post #93

More great innovation from Google. OpenAI have two major problems. The first is Google's vertically integrated chip pipeline and deep supply chain and operational knowledge when it comes to creating AI chips and putting them into production. They have a massive cost advantage at every step. This translates into more free services, cheaper paid services, more capabilities due to more affordable compute, and far more g…

Nobody has really talked about what I think is an advantage just as powerful as the custom chips: Google Books. They already won a landmark fair use lawsuit against book publishers, digitized more books than anyone on earth, and used their Captcha service to crowdsource its OCR. They've got the best* legal cover and all of the best sources of human knowledge already there. Then Youtube for video. The chips of course…

I would think the biggest advantage is YouTube. There's a lot of modern content for analysis that's uncontaminated by LLMs.
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