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FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by brigandish »

leptons wrote: post #437
brigandish wrote: post #400

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Jus soli [0] and and jus sanguinis [1] are well known legal concepts for citizenship, and jus soli is rare outside of the Americas, it’s not controversial to move to jus sanguinis as the norm, except in the way that it’s a change from the longstanding way of things in the US. To a European, jus soli seems crazy. Almost as crazy as people using caps in their posts. I do wonder if you, or anyone, could focus on the que…

I'm sorry that you think your goalposts are the only valid goalposts. I can assure you that the fascists in power don't care about your goalposts. For me the only goalpost that matters is trump trying to remove these protections. If you don't think he'll start removing natural born citizens after asking to do so, then I'm not sure there's anything point continuing this conversation. The fact that they are even trying…

I asked a straightforward question, à la the Socratic method, in order to allow the one making the claim to justify their position, à la Russell's Teapot. If you were not willing to answer the question from the beginning then you shouldn't be responding to me and wailing about "moving goalposts". My "goalposts" have been consistent since my first question - answer that question, please.

If you wish to make your points without addressing my question then you can simply comment directly on the article or respond to someone else, hopefully with more relevance to their comment than your slightly unhinged responses have had to mine.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by brigandish »

DrillShopper wrote: post #458
brigandish wrote: post #361

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Perhaps my question was unclear. I responded to "Even natural born citizens are now under threat." I asked to name one natural born citizen , not categories of people. Perhaps, given you provided said categories, you'll be able to drill down and name a natural born citizen from them?

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Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

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Post by hmcq6 »

roenxi wrote: post #455
hmcq6 wrote: post #442

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I was referring to the holocaust the US is currently aiding in

Gaza? You should spell things out. Regardless even more ink has been spilled on that and there doesn't seem to be any particular ambiguity on what is happening. It is major international news and South Africa are bringing court cases to the ICJ. Israel isn't doing anything subtle.

Wait... so you effectively said "there's no holocaust going on" and I pointed out one and you accidentally brought up another... and I'm wrong still? What? No.

All the saber rattling doesn't mean you were correct in implying there is no holocaust going on

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Post by hmcq6 »

lazyeye wrote: post #443
hmcq6 wrote: post #391

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I'm sorry, are you arguing that he's in Chinese witness protection inside the US?

No I'm arguing that moving him from one house to another is something the Chinese govt could assist with.

So what's the end game? They're being hunted by the FBI I don't think Trading Spaces™ is going to get this guy out of trouble

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Post by hmcq6 »

lupusreal wrote: post #394
hmcq6 wrote: post #391

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I'm sorry, are you arguing that he's in Chinese witness protection inside the US?

Obviously not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_police_overseas_servic...

You clearly didn't read this Wiki (Wiki is not a source BTW) because it says basically the opposite of what you're implying. Same goes for everyone in this thread talking about Chinese police on foreign soil.

The "CCP Police on foreign soil" aren't extracting people from the West so they can avoid persecution from the West. They're pressuring Chinese citizens to go back to China to face punishment for crimes China thinks they committed.

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Post by hmcq6 »

rayiner wrote: post #432
pvg wrote: post #429

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The lack of enforcement of the law is also a kind of consent. The notion that a law as written alone represents 'people's consent' is a total non-starter in any kind of realistic system of governance, to build a claim of 'dishonesty' on top of that seems extra silly. You don't like the term, fine, you don't like the term. But let's not pretend that dislike is some kind of inevitable consequence compelled by Pure Logi…

I don’t like it because it’s dishonest. The term “undocumented” implies that something has been agreed to or sanctioned, just not written down. But nobody agreed to allow illegal immigrants to come and stay here. As you acknowledge, the term embeds within it the premise that “the lack of enforcement of the law is also a kind of consent.” That is, illegal immigrants have America’s consent to be present in the country,…

> But nobody agreed to allow illegal immigrants to come and stay here.

In 90% of cases somebody did. Somebody at the border talked to them. Somebody checked their passport or their documentation (at the border). So many "undocumented immigrants" are people who overstayed their visas, like Elon did.

They literally were documented but then they didn't keep up with the paperwork and thus became undocumented.

"Doccumented" status *is* literally just a case of keeping up with the paperwork.

Some people do sneak in but the *vast majority* come through legal ports of entry

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #432
pvg wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lack of enforcement of the law is also a kind of consent. The notion that a law as written alone represents 'people's consent' is a total non-starter in any kind of realistic system of governance, to build a claim of 'dishonesty' on top of that seems extra silly. You don't like the term, fine, you don't like the term. But let's not pretend that dislike is some kind of inevitable consequence compelled by Pure Logi…

I don’t like it because it’s dishonest. The term “undocumented” implies that something has been agreed to or sanctioned, just not written down. But nobody agreed to allow illegal immigrants to come and stay here. As you acknowledge, the term embeds within it the premise that “the lack of enforcement of the law is also a kind of consent.” That is, illegal immigrants have America’s consent to be present in the country,…

Plenty of people agreed, especially the many, many businesses that happily employ them. Come back with this "consent of the people" stuff when we have mandatory E-Verify.

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Post by hmcq6 »

runsWphotons wrote: post #341
sc68cal wrote: post #223

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You're asking someone for sources, after accusing someone of espionage with no sources?

Tons of people above are suggesting he was "disappeared" with no sources (and no real cases of this really happening otherwise, recent cases have all had paperwork). Seems fair to ask and suggest a more likely alternative.

How does one provide evidence/sources for a disappearance?

I can show you sources that say DB Cooper existed but there’s no evidence of his disappearance by definition so… what do you think you are looking for exactly?

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Post by roenxi »

hmcq6 wrote: post #473
roenxi wrote: post #455

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gaza? You should spell things out. Regardless even more ink has been spilled on that and there doesn't seem to be any particular ambiguity on what is happening. It is major international news and South Africa are bringing court cases to the ICJ. Israel isn't doing anything subtle.

Wait... so you effectively said "there's no holocaust going on" and I pointed out one and you accidentally brought up another ... and I'm wrong still? What? No. All the saber rattling doesn't mean you were correct in implying there is no holocaust going on

> Wait... so you effectively said "there's no holocaust going on"

I said the opposite, there are literally multiple genocides going on. They make a fair bit of noise. There is lots of evidence of them if you care to look. They all have well sourced Wikipedia pages.

It isn't possible to wipe out a people and not have others quickly notice what is going on.

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Post by oa335 »

rayiner wrote: post #430
oa335 wrote: post #414

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> ICE does not require “judicial action” to remove aliens … > when expedited removal does not apply, deportation is handled by immigration courts And how many of these recent cases have gone before an immigration court? Are immigrants entitled to any form of due process? Should they be, based on your personal principles?

To be clear, immigration “court” decisions aren’t “judicial action” either. Immigration courts are entities within the executive branch, which can’t exercise judicial powers. They’re a procedural device for the executive branch to control how it exercises its discretion. The immigration laws provide very limited judicial review of immigration court decisions—even where someone appeals an immigration court decision to…

> So in my view the only constitutionally required “process” is to verify whether someone is a citizen or not. And I think that can be done adequately within the executive branch.

Why were immigration courts created in the first place?

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