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The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Microsoft has a customized version of Chrome. Don't they already pay for it?

Yeah, I could imagine Microsoft making a bid. To people who don't follow tech product ownership, "Windows comes with Chrome instead of Edge" would be good PR and it could basically be Edge minus the rebranding.

This is just handing over a dominant market to another company that has already been sued for anti competitive practices in the exact same space.

Make it make sense

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If you buy a cheap computer with Windows S it is very hard to get out of the S configuration and in S configuration you can't install Chrome at all or Firefox.

Not very hard in my experience. Not even hard.

But very much nonobvious. I recently had to help one of my parents when they couldn't figure out how to install some software, and it turned out to be S - but I had to do a bunch of digging to figure it out and I'm good with computers.

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> If you want to switch your search engine for Safari on iOS... I can set Kagi as the default search engine on iOS? Because last I checked, Apple hardcoded their list of options.

> I can set Kagi as the default search engine on iOS? Because last I checked, Apple hardcoded their list of options. Check again: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kagi-for-safari/id1622835804 Works perfectly.

This doesn't change the search engine, it attempts to redirect from whatever one is configured in the settings. It's very much an unreliable hack.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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post #362

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Most of these business models you refer to rely on some combination of: 1. funding from Google (Firefox) 2. engineering from Google (Chromium) 3. tech giant bundling (Safari, Edge)

I’m a bit confused by this comment. I didn’t mention any of those and didn’t callout any specific business models for browsers. Just that Chrome would need to figure out how to monetize itself like how other browsers are trying to do. Diving into the different business models that other browsers are trying is a very different conversation that needs nuance. For example, how would Brave and Orion fit into your remark?

> like how other browsers are trying to do

Who is the unsubsidized web browser?

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Did Chrome pay for the ad placement on Google’s sites? Could Mozilla or Microsoft buy the same spots? Could they pay YouTube to keep the site faster for them than standards-compliant browsers? If the answer to any of those is no, it’s more than simple advertising.

Yes. My biggest gripe with Google is that they prop up unprofitable products with their wildly popular product. It makes competition impossible. YouTube is the perfect example. I feel like it should be illegal to use your profits in one industry to run a loss leader in a totally separate industry.

> I feel like it should be illegal to use your profits in one industry to run a loss leader in a totally separate industry.

There’s nothing wrong with running a loss leader, only with squeezing everybody else out.

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On Android Chrome is preinstalled and cannot be uninstalled

On Windows 11, Edge is preinstalled and can't simply be removed either. Furthermore, it constantly bugs you about if you're sure you don't want to enable their recommended settings, which ends up re-enabling all the analytics/rewards/etc.

In Europe, you can now fully remove Edge from Windows 11, and it doesn't come back (or at least hasn't so far). And it's not even hard, you just uninstall it like any other app. They do give some scary prompts, and it does disable all internet-based integrations in the start menu, but that's not even necessarily a bad thing.

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I meant browsing history. I don’t care about my search history. Even though these days I use the paid ChatGPT with the web search tool most of the time. Google is becoming more useless every month

Chrome Sync (i.e. saving your history + everything else to the cloud so it syncs to all your devices) is an optional setting. Microsoft Edge has the same thing under another name. Safari does too.

Google also uses your browsing history to create a profile for advertising

https://support.google.com/My-Ad-Center-Help/answer/12155451...

And Apple provides end to end encryption of browsing history so it can’t decrypt your browsing history

https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2021/03/25/whats-in...

> What’s interesting about the Apple decision is that it appears to explicitly separate browsing history and bookmarks, rather than lumping them into a single take-it-or-leave-it package. Apple doesn’t claim to provide any end-to-end encryption guarantees whatsoever for bookmarks: presumably someone who resets your iCloud account password can get those. But your browsing history is protected in a way that even Apple won’t be able to access, in case the FBI show up with a subpoena.

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Antitrust goal is protect competition and prevent monopolies, Safari search and Bing market shares aren't in a position of a monopoly, unlike Google's (~79% of desktop search market share)

Which is ironic because this judgement will destroy Firefox (if Firefox doesn't destroy itself, anyway), and probably Chrome, and leave Edge as basically the only mainstream web browser with a "monopoly". The more things change...

I think Firefox will live. Maybe Mozilla dies, but somebody will raise funds and pick up the work.

Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Can't speak for Safari, but Firefox has never been anything but a dumpster fire for me. Constant reminders about updates and a UI that slows my computer to a crawl no matter what I do. Yes, I open many tabs and don't use a turbocharged laptop, but the same applies to my Chrome use with next to no problems, so really, fuck you Firefox for not adjusting after decades, as per possible user needs. Chrome seems to manage…

Either you need to service your computer or configure your Firefox. I went back to Firefox about 5 years ago and not even once missed Chrome since.

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Re: The DOJ still wants Google to sell off Chrome

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Can't speak for Safari, but Firefox has never been anything but a dumpster fire for me. Constant reminders about updates and a UI that slows my computer to a crawl no matter what I do. Yes, I open many tabs and don't use a turbocharged laptop, but the same applies to my Chrome use with next to no problems, so really, fuck you Firefox for not adjusting after decades, as per possible user needs. Chrome seems to manage…

When was the last time you tried? I have a 2012 Mac mini that runs it like a champ and has done so for a very long time. I only have a handful of plugins but uBlock Origin is one of them.

several times since 2012. The last of these was just last year, on a whimsy in which FF didn't disappoint in by now predictably disappointing.
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