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U.S. pauses all military aid to Ukraine

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Amazing to see Russia win the Cold War—one we didn’t even know we were in. Their propaganda network is so strong that it took 3 weeks to go from “Russia is the enemy” to “eh, we have other problems” amongst the folks who…subscribe accordingly. Absolute masterclass in projecting power in the digital age.

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Amazing to see the Republican party sell the US and its allies to Russia.

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US spends trillion in vietname,iraq,afghan etc while people can't afford housing,healthcare and living paycheck to paycheck its hard to care for other people when your basic needs is not fullfill

Yet we're still sending truck loads of money and gear to Israel. This is purely about Trump helping Putin.

One explanation would be an agreement with Putin softening support for Iran in exchange for US softening support for Ukraine.

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Perhaps surprisingly, Europe has more nuclear weapons than China (France: 290 warheads, UK: 225 warheads, China: 500 warheads). China never really bought into the mutually assured destruction doctrine in the same way that the US and Soviet Union did.

I don’t think the Chinese have been sitting still for the last 10 years, and I doubt they will sit still for the next 10 years.

I mean, see Doctor Strangelove. If you have a doomsday weapon, that’s only helpful if you _tell_ people about it! If China had built loads of warheads, they’d hardly keep that secret, as most of these point of having loads of warheads is for everyone else to know you had them.

Realistically, by the time China and France got on the nuclear scene, doctrine had shifted from “nuclear torpedos, nuclear guns, nuclear landmines, nuclear everything” to “you have some submarines with missiles; you can have other stuff if you want, but no-one cares about it”. There’s little point in having thousands of warheads, these days.

(The UK did briefly go down the ‘nuclear everything’ road, but pulled back for cost/sanity reasons)

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Sorry to burst your bubble, there is already a war and Russia is winning thanks to Trump. And don’t think it will be last one Russia started.

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Here's a great example of the "victim mentality" that has taken over the US of late.

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My guess is 2-3 weeks, given how fast things are shifting

They are already drafting an end to sanctions, which is unbelievable.

Trump said he wanted peace, but I think he really wanted an end for the sanctions, probably to help with his goal of lowering the price of oil. I don’t think he cares at all about how things turn out in Ukraine.

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As all conspiracy theories, this provides a simple explanation to circumstances that otherwise require complex answers, but it holds no water. The KGB was ineffective and inept. It didn't reach the masses, it didn't influence public opinion. Of course a former KGB agent selling his story must tell you otherwise, but most of these guys spent their whole career feigning successes to their superiors.

While they may feign success to their supervisors you need to look at the tangible results. They got germany to shut down their nuclear power plants and got the civil rights act passed. That's not ineffective.

And did "getting the Civil Rights Act passed" do anything to weaken America, or to strengthen the Soviet Union or expand its influence? No, it didn't. It made America more true to its ideals, thereby undercutting a Soviet propaganda point. It probably increased American influence with third-world countries, especially in Africa. All in all, a Soviet self-own, if they're going to take the credit.

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Do you remember what happened when Russia tried to install missiles in Cuba? The USA put its foot down and was willing to have a nuclear war. Same thing is happening in Russia, making Ukraine part of NATO is just too close. Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

Do you remember that started because Russia already invaded part of Ukraine in 2014? Do you remember Russia’s promises when Ukraine voluntarily ceded their nuclear arsenal to Russia?

Not sure what the point you are making is? Should we just keep going back in history and try to cherry pick events to blame and justify current conflicts? That can go on indefinitely and is why we keep having wars.

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Tarriff other countries and then establish a free trade agreement with Russia to boost their economy. One wonders if they will make American packaging for their products, or just sell the Russian labeled products straight on US shelves.

What products? Caviar and crude?

Why not weapons? Why bother with expensive, unionized US labour building rifles and missiles and jets when Russia has cheaper alternatives?

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It’s appalling to see so many comments here defending what’s going on. I’m trying to take it in good faith and accept these people actually think this instead of being paid to spread Russian disinformation. So, for those that are in good faith, as an European, I’ll explain mine (and my close circle) position: It’s true that the USA doesn’t have any obligation of helping Ukraine and should be up to us, Europeans, to s…

Do you remember what happened when Russia tried to install missiles in Cuba? The USA put its foot down and was willing to have a nuclear war. Same thing is happening in Russia, making Ukraine part of NATO is just too close. Why is it so hard for people to understand this?

Except NATO is a defence organisation.

Ask yourself why countries bordering Russia want to join.

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Sorry to burst your bubble, there is already a war and Russia is winning thanks to Trump. And don’t think it will be last one Russia started.

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> they see Ukrainians as worthless pawns in their battle against Trump.

I don't think anyone does that.

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