Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting • Hacker News Board

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by Glyptodon » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:48 PM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #300

Russia probably has strong kompromats on Trump and his administration. Can't explain it any other way. Why otherwise they would go out of the way to make idiots of themselves in public in front of the whole world? I know Trump has not been an example of tact but this is something else.

I totally think the people saying that KGB has video or photos or whatever from the late '80s of him sleeping with KGB agent/call girls or similar are plausible. But I have a really hard time imagining Trump being embarrassed by anything like that. He'd be like "Of course I slept with beautiful women! who wouldn't?"

I'd love to have some idea of what they could actually have that he'd be ashamed of, but he's so shameless it's hard for me to imagine. Which makes me more inclined to think that he just hasn't met a dictator that he's not jealous of more so than anything.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by guerrilla » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:49 PM UTC

omayomay wrote: post #294

this meeting will be remembered in ages to be come.

You're making the assumption that even more outrageous things aren't coming down the pipeline. I think that's unwarranted. They will continue to escalate.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by UncleOxidant » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:49 PM UTC

angrytechie wrote: post #185

What's really infuriating to me is the way in which members of the startup world -- people who claim to wear the mantle of creators and builders -- have actively supported this nonsense. A16Z, Founders Fund, Sequoia all talk a big game about America being the greatest nation on the planet, and then turn around and back this regime in a naked grab for power and money. The hypocrisy is astounding.

History will hopefully record how quickly they bowed to fascism when it benefited them.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by yes_really » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:49 PM UTC

I saw a lot of people justifying Trump's moves because "the US shouldn't be spending so much money helping Ukraine in the war".

I understand that argument, but what about security guarantees? Zelensky has been simply asking for security guarantees so that Putin doesn't start another war in a few years (like he did in 2014 and 2022). Why can't Trump provide that? Why should we just trust Putin's word? Or is there something I'm missing?

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by surfpel » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:49 PM UTC

tehjoker wrote: post #105

Thank god that finally we're going to stop sending hundreds of thousands of men into a meat grinder for no purpose. Ofc, Trump is doing this in great part because he personally hates Zelensky and Biden. He's doing what he did to Obama and just unwinding everything his predecessor did. He also correctly ascertains that this is a huge waste of money that is counterproductive. All the liberal cold warriors that wanted t…

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by parski » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:50 PM UTC

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Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by lijok » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:51 PM UTC

For those interested in getting informed, I strongly recommend listening to John Mearsheimer's thoughts on the crisis in Ukraine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4 is a great talk on this).

Once you understand the history behind NATO's expansionism, the unfortunate role Ukraine serves as a buffer zone, and the failures of US foreign policy under Obama, you will see how the crisis in Ukraine started. Then, once you factor in Zelenskyy's "non-negotiables", you will see how this exchange, while unprofessional, is not surprising in the slightest.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by NickC25 » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:51 PM UTC

temporallobe wrote: post #164

I am an independent and Trump supporter. I generally like his shows of strength, but I didn’t like the confrontational nature of this exchange. It lacked diplomacy and respect. Trump yelling things like “you’re gambling with World War 3” was inappropriate and aggressive, especially considering he was a guest. This caused an unprecedented tension between wrokd leaders on live TV and in my opinion has the potential to…

Donald Trump doesn't show stregnth, if anything, he's cosplaying as an effeminate she-male with the lifts, the makeup, and the wig.

Donald Trump is not a strong man. He is a weak baby with no self-control and very little knowledge about anything useful.

He also sucks at golf.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by _DeadFred_ » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:51 PM UTC

AlexatParis wrote: post #303

I am born in Ukraine and live now in Europe. As European I may understand your disappointment with the West letting down some "rules based" order and democratic values. Yet as Ukrainian, I know unfortunately that the premises of the "rules based world" do not apply to many regions in the world, inclusive Ukraine. Let me explain, a rule-based order means that the monopoly of violence is the privilege of the state: if…

mersheimer, who premisses his theory on 'Putin never lies'. Such reality.

Re: Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by randcraw » Fri, Feb 28, 2025, 9:51 PM UTC

legitster wrote: post #19

That video was hard to watch. Zelensky was being very dignified and they absolutely jumped down his throat. This public meeting was a complete setup, and it's ironic that JD Vance is accusing Zelensky of grandstanding.

Vance didn't believe for a second that Zelensky was grandstanding. He was trying to manipulate his video audience into believing that Vance wasn't grandstanding by accusing Zelensky of misbehaving as he was obviously doing himself.

It's an old propaganda trick that Vance probably learned from the Russians (who used it heavily for 70+ years). But it works only on an easily intimidatable audience that doesn't know any better. Nor care.