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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#471
So since last year's debacle with Mozilla being an add-on company plus this ToU was the boiling point for me:

-Removed Firefox from all machines, replaced with LibreWolf.

-Deleted my Mozilla account.

-Changed to brave on mobile

Took about 15 minutes.

When evil shows it's real face and wants to tell me how and for what I can use my software, that's a goodbye Mozilla....so much for your ethics.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#472
post #462

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you're looking at a thread about Mozilla, the outrage is in the threads about Apple removing ADP for iCloud users in the UK.

Yes. Thank you.:)

It got 1700 points.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#473

It's all so strange. I would happily buy Firefox, either as a one off, or as an annual license, and be done with all the weird license nonsense - presumably they want to sell data to pay the bills. But instead the choice, realistically, seems to be between giving all my browsing data to Google and to Mozilla. And Chrome works marginally better... :/

I would wager most people that offer to buy software "one off" typically underestimate their lifetime worth earned through other means like ads and data sales. Would you pay a one-time $10 for a lifetime Firefox license? $100? $1,000? $10,000?

Without thinking much about it, $60 / yr seems reasonable to me.

I never click on any ads, so while I'm sure I contribute to Firefox's revenue as another pair of eyeballs, I don't deliver any end value to their ad-biz end customers.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#474

Ask HN: Is Brave an ok alternative?

I use it. Turning off the ads and annoyances can be done in literally 20 seconds. It has uBlock Origin built in and removes the cookie modal popups.

It has a nice sync feature so my bookmarks / extensions are sync'd. The developer tools are exactly the same as Chromes.

It has some controversies in the past, but generally it has been ok IMO.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#475

I might have differed with Brendan Eich on a few matters, but he was a good steward of Firefox in my book. When Mitchell Baker took the reins, Mozilla became rather more heavy-handed towards us - the irony being that Waterfox was once proudly displayed on the Mozilla website under their "Powered By" banner. I appreciate the constant existential wobble Firefox faces, but they've made some peculiar decisions as of late…

Hey, thank you for Waterfox! I'm using it a lot across all my machines. Well done!

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#476

Title is a complete lie/misleading. They get a license, not ownership. Let's dissect what it actually says, and we do it backwards, because given the discussion around this subject it seems like people space out or have their mind clouded by outrage before they get to the end of the sentence: > help you [do things] as you indicate with your use of Firefox. So this already only covers things that you indicate you want…

In EU user can not legally give up ownership of their personal data, artwork, or intelectual property. "Giving license" is a legal workaround to get ownership.

That varies between EU countries.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#478

Debian feature request: A system-wide switch to disable all telemetry and "cloud integration" features that make any network connection to the developers' or developers' partners' servers, applied to all software distributed in the official repositories.

Just use https://librewolf.net

So:

  # apt install librewolf
  Reading package lists... Done
  Building dependency tree... Done
  Reading state information... Done
  E: Unable to locate package librewolf
If the thing that doesn't suck isn't the thing that comes with the OS, it's time to fix the OS.

Also, that feature should exist. The next time I see a story about MS training ChatGPT on your nude selfies, I want to be able to show people the big red switch that says "All Telemetry: OFF" as an example of something Microsoft will never give them.

But you first have to provide it in order to show to them that you provide it.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#479

While I think the anger surrounding this is slightly overstated, is there any Desktop fork of Firefox that can essentially just act as a "we prevent Mozilla from doing anything harmful to it's users", while compromising on as little functionality as possible? There's only so many stories of Mozilla deliberately trying to reduce it's browser market share to zero you can put up with before you start looking elsewhere.…

Blocking DRM is the only sane stance. And if you are using a free OS it doesn't change much anyway as DRMed content is only available in resolutions that might have been acceptable decades ago. If you must consume that kind of content just use a dedicated device but better would be to ignore it or acquire copies with the DRM stripped.

DRM is absolutely not necessary for using a browser.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

#480

Title is a complete lie/misleading. They get a license, not ownership. Let's dissect what it actually says, and we do it backwards, because given the discussion around this subject it seems like people space out or have their mind clouded by outrage before they get to the end of the sentence: > help you [do things] as you indicate with your use of Firefox. So this already only covers things that you indicate you want…

> Title is a complete lie/misleading. They get a license, not ownership.

I completely agree. Saw the HN title, clicked through to the page and saw nothing relevant to the title. I've flagged the topic now.

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