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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by Timon3 »

teekert wrote: post #179
Gigachad wrote: post #151

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Personally I draw the line somewhere before not funding someone who does nazi salutes. But you do you.

Again an opinion , Musk said it was not a Nazi salute, he didn't repeat it, he has many Jewish supporters also saying it wasn't. Just stop, please, I'm really about to give up on the comment sections here.

> Again an opinion, Musk said it was not a Nazi salute [...]

Has he actually said it wasn't a Nazi salute? My last update was that he responded to questions about this by making Nazi jokes, I haven't seen any actual denial. Could you share when he did so, so I don't spread inaccurate information? Thank you.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by bayindirh »

starbugs wrote: post #466
bayindirh wrote: post #447

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Our car inspections are handled by German TÜV, and they do not inspect superficially. If, ~14% of a single brand of car which is ridden with LEDs (which should live forever when compared to halogens), advanced drive systems and other stuff are failing, and has to be re-inspected because of they can't meet the standards, that's pretty bad to be honest. Failing TÜV means your safety critical systems have problems. This…

> My 25 year old car aces the test all the time You wouldn't do a regular service right before the TÜV appointment, would you? Also, this doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me.

Nope, I don't. I only do its normal interval services. I don't like the cheat the system.

> Also, this doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me.

I'm planning to buy a new hybrid. On the other hand, it has a cat, is our family car since the beginning, so it's in a very good shape emissions-wise (it's tested regularly). Newer cars are better, of course, but it's not an oil burning, smoking, smelling smoke-stack. Its exhaust isn't covered in carbon even.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rightbyte »

fouc wrote: post #365
rightbyte wrote: post #279

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Ye. Many modern phones are *@*$ too. My wife is still bitter about not having a 3.5mm jack on hers she unknowingly bought 5 years ago. So much trouble ... However if more than one person will use the car (incl. as passanger) the annoyance of Bluetooth is even worse. We have a dongle in the car that is protected by a sworn oath to never be removed from the cabinet along with some charger cables.

It's my understanding that Bluetooth 5.1 fixes the multiple users in car issue, and it only got properly rolled out in the last couple years.

I believe it when I see it.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rightbyte »

pohuing wrote: post #431
viceroyalbean wrote: post #245

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I would prefer 3.5mm over Bluetooth, but keep in mind most people get their music off their phones and (almost?) no modern phones have headphone jacks. Dongles are a thing, but meh. Additionally, modern Bluetooth devices have very little friction in my experience.

Even our Renault scenic from a decade ago seamlessly connects to my phone when I enter it.

Multi user seem to be the major pain point. I think linked and active headphones blocks the car too.

There is just so much stuff that can make the abstraction of automation leak and you have to spend more time fixing it this one time than saved in the total lifetime of the car with a simple cable.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by 28304283409234 »

contravariant wrote: post #324

> Tilburg (Holland). Try not to call them Hollanders, except possibly during national football matches. Tilburg is in an area of the Netherlands that has quite a strong regional identity (and that region is not Holland). You can call them Brabanders if you want to use the regional demonym. Also that regional identity is going to be quite strong until carnaval has passed, should you visit any time soon.

It's like calling all Americans "New Yorkers", or "Arizonians".

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by mcv »

efitz wrote: post #386
mcv wrote: post #374

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Our new car beeps constantly for unclear reasons and doesn't explain why. It's not helpful and I'd like it to stop.

Try buckling all your back seat belts. Recently US cars are required to annoy you if back seat passengers are not buckled in; many (most?) manufacturers are not putting in weight sensors to see if there are rear seat passengers present; they’re just putting in seat belt buckled sensors.

Our previous car did beep when there was any weight on the passenger seat while the seat belt was unbuckled, which is extremely annoying when you just put a bag there.

Another annoying thing was that in order to use the navigation from the car, you first had to agree to obey the traffic rules or something. I already do that by participating in traffic.

I don't think this incessant beeping for every little thing, nor requiring clicking though extra screens, is useful and I doubt it adds anything to safety. It's distracting and annoying and I start thinking about why the car is beeping this time, instead of focusing on the traffic.

That's the really big problem with this design: the car should not draw attention to itself; my attention should be on the road. Also, when it does beep, it should at the very least make clear why, and you should be able to turn it off.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ryandrake »

smatija wrote: post #396
tomp wrote: post #350

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It's literally illegal. In the EU, it's illegal to sell cars that don't have back camera, not beeping if seatbelt not fastened, and not beeping if speed limit is exceeded.

Note that this is only for when buying new cars - used models can still be sold and bought without these "niceties". The next car I am going to buy is probably going to be older than my current one.

> The next car I am going to buy is probably going to be older than my current one.

I've also come to this bizarre conclusion. Cars are rapidly regressing. I currently drive an '09, and yearly maintenance costs have begun to approach the value of the car. I'm not sure how long I can economically keep it on the road, but what would I replace it with? A '24 Driving-IoT-Nighmare?

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by ryandrake »

neor wrote: post #434
mcv wrote: post #374

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Our new car beeps constantly for unclear reasons and doesn't explain why. It's not helpful and I'd like it to stop.

I've had a new Toyota Corolla over the weekend, and the beeps were driving me nuts. The car reads signs, and beeps everytime it detects a change in speed limit. If you go over the speed limit, even if its 1 km/h the car starts beeping as well. I never drive really fast, when the car says I'm driving 1 KM over the limit my GPS speed usually is 5 below. This makes the signals extra annoying. They should have used beeps…

I normally drive a 15 year old car, and recently traveled and had to rent a car at my destination. This thing was infuriating and constantly annoying in so many ways. I had to return the first one because I couldn't figure out the touch screen (!!), and the replacement I got just beeped and booped constantly for reasons unknown. I couldn't even figure out how to use the radio. It kept asking me to log in (to what??) just to use the nav system.

Of all the signals of "I'm getting elderly," who knew I'd first start feeling like this from trying to use a car?

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by CyberDildonics »

teekert wrote: post #179
Gigachad wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I draw the line somewhere before not funding someone who does nazi salutes. But you do you.

Again an opinion , Musk said it was not a Nazi salute, he didn't repeat it, he has many Jewish supporters also saying it wasn't. Just stop, please, I'm really about to give up on the comment sections here.

What he did was identical to a classic nazi sieg heil, right down the forcefulness.

https://imgur.com/UFrmbJs

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

― George Orwell, 1984

The entire world knows it is a nazi salute, and people defending it do too. They would never put themselves on camera doing this because they know it is indefensible.

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