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Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by palmfacehn »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #449
Veliladon wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because there's nowhere in the US like Shenzhen, Guangdong or Hong Kong. Remember how Apple couldn't just pick up and move the production of iPhones to India or Vietnam? You need all the ancillary industries around the production to be there, along with being competitive and commoditized as well. When a supplier has something go wrong a line of manufacturing doesn't go down. You go down the street to the same guy sel…

> You metaphorically need to invent the universe to make it work in the US. You didnt answer the obvious question of the why things are the way they are now? US used to have their entire electronic supply chain, save from raw materials, in USA in the 70s... So why cant US build its own Shenzhen or Hong Kong? taxes? corporate taxes are relatively low in some US states, infrastructure? US has all the infrastructure nee…

Shenzhen is a Special Economic Zone and Hong Kong is/was a major hub for finance. People used to say, "China didn't take Hong Kong, Hong Kong took Shenzhen". It would be hard to replicate the opportunity of Deng's liberalizations being new and adjacent to a major center for finance. It would be like having Manhattan across the bay from an untapped backwater like rural Mississippi and have Mississippi declare, "anything goes, we're open for biz".

Look at the existing issues with the Rust Belt as an example. The higher cost of labor could be offset by higher worker productivity. The issues are in regulatory compliance, demands from politicians and unions. As soon as a major project is announced, the demands start flowing in. Look at what happened with Amazon's attempted fulfillment center in NYC. Look at the amazing strategic location and port infrastructure of a city like Baltimore, and ask why it cannot attract more development. There are major political obstacles which need to be tackled in every case. Even California's failed highspeed rail project should tell us something.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

xnx wrote: post #21

Bad for consumers, but seems like a very good thing for AMZN? Amazon won't have to compete against the much cheaper Temu, Aliexpress, Shein(?) etc.

Why does any regulation that affects China follow this recipe?

"Good for . Guess they won't have to compete."

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by K0balt »

reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

We do R&D in the Dominican Republic. Like most nations in the USA orbit, we receive our eastern imports via the USA via transshipping.

This is also disrupting the nascent technology industries in the Caribbean and the Latin-American diaspora. For us specifically, it will increase our logistics costs by multiples and lead times by weeks.

I expect this will result in substantial schedule misses and cost overruns.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by meaningjoj »

reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

Not just R&D. This is how manufacturing works in general. Nobody is like "here's the CAD, go ahead and send me 50,000 units! I'm sure it will be fine."

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by floatrock »

dmd wrote: post #460

https://about.usps.com/newsroom/service-alerts/international... Restored already. It's all about chaos.

Or it's about not knowing how any of this works and quickly backing down when you're told how much your race-baiting is actually gumming up the wheels of the economy.

But yes, it's a "throw a bunch of shit against the wall and see what sticks" chaos strategy.

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Post by beej71 »

dtquad wrote: post #120
reaperman wrote: post #72

This is going to utterly fuck so many R&D projects at my company. We actually do large-scale manufacturing of industrial valves in the USA. But a lot of our prototyping involves working with Chinese suppliers and getting small batches of samples / prototypes / revisions sent in packages on airplanes. I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages…

>I literally do not know how the electrical and firmware engineers will do their jobs now if we cannot receive packages from China As a software engineer who works closely with electrical and firmware engineers I know what you are saying is completely true. The question is how did we let it go this far? Why has there never been serious Western alternatives to JLCPCB, PCBWay, JLCCNC etc.? Has anyone asked themselves h…

> The question is how did we let it go this far?

It's an optimized market, isn't it? Didn't it naturally go this far?

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by themaninthedark »

close04 wrote: post #306
likeabatterycar wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember how Apple couldn't just pick up and move the production of iPhones to India or Vietnam? You left out the part about dormitories full of modern-day slaves, complete with nets so they don't leap to their deaths. Generally this is frowned upon in the West. India and Vietnam wouldn't tolerate it either, despite being developing countries. Wasn't there a riot at Apple's India factory over work conditions or am…

> Generally this is frowned upon in the West. India and Vietnam wouldn't tolerate it either Yes, "frowned upon" is the perfectly realistic way to describe it. Dior was just caught using slave labor including illegal immigrants in Italy (so they can say "Made in Italy" on the label), all working round the clock shifts and sleeping locked in the makeshift factory, operating machines with safeties disabled so they're mo…

It's not just >Business owners are greedy and chase profits, and customers are cheap and don't care beyond their own needs and wants.

You have the judicial system of Italy that is complicit in this behavior in this instance and others in different cases.

Although, it seems to be Dior's subcontractors: >found two of its Chinese-owned subcontractors based outside Milan had exploited their workers.

And Dior was not doing audits.

No comment in the article on the fate of the subcontractors who violated the law.... very encouraging.

Re: Suspension of inbound parcels from China and Hong Kong

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Post by tofof »

harha wrote: post #102
xnx wrote: post #21

Bad for consumers, but seems like a very good thing for AMZN? Amazon won't have to compete against the much cheaper Temu, Aliexpress, Shein(?) etc.

Isn’t half of Amazon just resellers of aliexpress with a markup?

No, no definitely nowhere near half, don't be so pessimistic. It's at least 90%. ;)
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