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Post by ivell »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #72
busterarm wrote: post #51

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While I agree with patio11's assessment here, if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them. Canadian politics (not uniquely here) is plagued with petty squabbles. The really meaningful political and social issues don't get any airtime.

> if you were to poll the average Ottawan about the trucker protest, you'll largely get back a response of "#&$! those people", soley because they were minorly-inconvenienced by them This just illustrates why pure/Athenian democracy doesn’t work. Madness of the crowds and all that. Decide most issues by plebescite and you get an emotional outcome.

Switzerland has direct democracy and seems to go fine with it.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by adverbly »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #422
adverbly wrote: post #411

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Housing has gotten worse in many places. I hate to be repeat a meme but land value tax would fix this.

Only the provinces have the constitutional authority to impose a land value tax. (The cities get their property taxing rights from the province).

Ding ding ding!

Yes! I find it interesting that the Federal government is getting the majority of the blame for these issues when in reality I feel like provinces should be at fault.

Not to say that the federal government is without blame, but I feel like given the current state of healthcare in many provinces, as well as the housing s** show, provincial governments should be primarily held at fault.

Zoning/housing, Healthcare, education... Obviously the immigration loop holes have been an issue as well, but these three are provincial.

Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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bryanlarsen wrote: post #351
parthdesai wrote: post #298

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A liberal protesting organization would have used bicycles and would thus have been legal.

A good parallel is the U.S. campus protests in opposition to military aid for Israel's Gaza campaign, which were violently dispersed. You can find lots of instances of mostly right wingers saying they should never be able to get a job again and such.

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agentultra wrote: post #345
parthdesai wrote: post #298

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It's not a partisan issue. The Charter is pretty clear on the limitations placed on protests. If those truckers had dispersed within a day they would have been fine. But they were accepting donations and foreign money in order to stay encamped and had no intention of dispersing.

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Post by objektif »

avgDev wrote: post #390
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #359

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Or if you have older family members you care about. Or if you don't want your children having to practice 'active shooter' drills during their school days.

My toddler had active shooter drills in day care.....I sometimes think about leaving US.

Many of my friends are also thinking of just leaving to Europe. This whole thing about running after more and more money may just not be worth it at the end.

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Post by nick_ »

rand_r wrote: post #363
catgary wrote: post #93

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I think it’s worth noting that the weekend before this, local residents of Ottawa had basically “stormed” one of the trucker convoy camps to unblock a road. There were genuine concerns that the residents of Ottawa were ready to take matters into their own hands, and it would be a bloodbath. Not to mention the blockade in Alberta where they were found with guns and a pipe bomb, with their communications indicating the…

I don’t know why they couldn’t do the friggen obvious move of asking the police to unblock the roads by force, and impounding the vehicles for repeat offences. Going after bank accounts was a coward move that never made sense. If I just sat down in the middle of a subway tunnel, I would be removed by force immediately, no matter what I was protesting. They created problems for themselves by not doing the obvious solu…

If only more people A) asked this question and B) looked into what was (not) happening.

Basically Ottawa police were insubordinate, sided with the truckers/occupiers/protesters, etc. The populist conservative provincial government completely failed to act, likely due to the protestors being on "their side".

> Ottawa was not being policed. Ticketing didn’t start for days. Tow-truck companies hesitated to move illegally parked trucks for fear of losing business from truckers after the protests ended. Protesters were refilling their trucks with jerry cans of diesel. When the police were ordered to put a stop to that, protesters began to carry empty jerry cans en masse to overwhelm law enforcement, but they needn’t have bothered: front-line officers were not following orders to stop them from gassing up. There were reports that sympathetic officers were sharing police intelligence with protesters. Anything the police did could backfire. Families with children were living in some of the trucks, and there were reports of firearms in others.

https://thewalrus.ca/freedom-convoy-the-prince/

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

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Post by dyauspitr »

csense wrote: post #34

Patio11 has some good coverage of Trudeau's handling of the trucker protest against the government's handling of COVID-19 [1]. Whatever you think of the truckers' position or protest tactics, any punishment for their actions ought to go through the laws and court system. Trudeau instead essentially told the banking system "You can't do business with those people, they're terrorists." Patio11's words of what happened…

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Re: Justin Trudeau promises to resign as PM

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Post by [deleted] »

cempaka wrote: post #467
agentultra wrote: post #345

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It's not a partisan issue. The Charter is pretty clear on the limitations placed on protests. If those truckers had dispersed within a day they would have been fine. But they were accepting donations and foreign money in order to stay encamped and had no intention of dispersing.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

cempaka wrote: post #467
agentultra wrote: post #345

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It's not a partisan issue. The Charter is pretty clear on the limitations placed on protests. If those truckers had dispersed within a day they would have been fine. But they were accepting donations and foreign money in order to stay encamped and had no intention of dispersing.

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The already repealed, provincial vaccine mandates they were protesting.
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