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Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by Earw0rm »

lolinder wrote: post #432
geodel wrote: post #415

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Huh, why is college getting expensive, healthcare getting expensive, day care getting expensive, hell even streaming services getting expensive, none of these are heavily restricted that no development is happening there. And in many cities breakneck construction activity is happening still real estate is getting very expensive. This seems rather simplistic reason to me.

I have a strong suspicion that a lot of it is the rise of the two income household. In the early years it increased household buying power, but as it became the norm many services began raising prices because people could actually afford to pay them now. So the net result is that the increased productivity from nearly doubling the workforce turns into higher and higher executive salaries while the average middle clas…

Yeah, and property is a positional good. Its price is a function purely of willingness to pay. So if you double household income, and perhaps quadruple theoretical discretionary income (after food, energy, gas and so on), give it 40 years and real-estate inflation eats the damn lot.

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by globular-toast »

tombert wrote: post #141

I haven't been to a club in a long time, but I am quite confident that if there's a hell for me, it's being forced to be in a club+rave for eternity. I've never done any kind of "party drug" [1], and I think that party drugs have to be a requirement for me to enjoy something like that (at least for someone as awkward as me). Repetitive music that's so loud it hurts, not being able to talk to people, close contact to…

I always thought the loud music, low lights and cramped quarters made it easier for awkward people. You can be totally anonymous if you want to. Just join in and feel the music and people will love you for it. You don't need to perform or meet any kind of expectation.

The thing about the drugs is it only heightens the experience. It's like salt on your food. The ingredients still have to be good. I found the drugs made it great but that's because I loved it anyway. I've never understood people who say "you have to be on drugs to enjoy it". The only drug like that is alcohol, the drug that numbs you enough to make deeply unpleasant situations tolerable.

For me the great thing about 30+ is not having to go to alcohol venues and do all the various pre-mating rituals. But I also don't go clubbing any more because I go to bed before midnight. Still love the music though (trance, as played by Oakenfold and Paul van Dyk).

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Post by wrl »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #291
renewiltord wrote: post #232

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If this were true, we wouldn’t need to enforce the single family home through zoning.

The fact that you can build 200 condos on the same acre as 1 ranch house does not negate the fact that most people would choose the ranchouse over the condo if presented a choice between the two. It is numbers game. Its not about what any single wants best, but how many times you can sell people their 2nd choice using the same land.

"most people"? Genuine question – do you have any data to back this up?

Re: Who killed the rave?

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Post by Nasreddin_Hodja »

timbre1234 wrote: post #287

What's missing is GenZ isn't into it. The kids are the ones that go out all the time and they drive a lot of the revenue that big clubs need to stay alive. I'm not really sure what GenZ is into instead -- would've been cool if this article had tried asking them.

> I'm not really sure what GenZ is into instead

Things like this maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuddle_party

As for modern electronic music, it became very dumb compared to oldschool techno of 90s, who even listens to that crap nowadays? Why someone would pay for loud noise?

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Post by ren_engineer »

dehrmann wrote: post #256
post-it wrote: post #205

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> Tier 1 city RE prices have made live entertainment venues harder to run profitably. Which, in turn, makes events that do happen more expensive, decreasing turnout. If there's a Friday night event for CA$15 with CA$5 drinks, I'm much more likely to go than if it costs CA$50 with CA$15 drinks.

And that makes the city less desirable, so fewer people live there, and RE prices find an equilibrium.

not when the majority of real estate is being bought by investors just looking for a place to throw money regardless of price. That's the main issue in Canada and in tier 1 cities in the US. The people owning the RE don't live there

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Post by willseth »

01HNNWZ0MV43FF wrote: post #354
mjsir911 wrote: post #166

NPR did a recent expose about a local renegade spot & the shows it supports in my scene: https://www.kuow.org/stories/under-the-bridge-a-portrait-of-... With mixed results, it kind of burned the spot by virtue of being talked about in too wide an audience but I think it's also important to make it known to the mainstream that this kind of stuff is happening. All that's needed to make a rave happen is music & speakers…

> Humans will always find spaces to congregate ... I hope we're not losing our drive to be around each other and dance, it's been such a integral part of my life story (as a fairly young person!) and has let me find my people. I'm gonna dump a little bit with the blind hope that someone can explain what I'm feeling. Not meaning to disrespect you mjsir, but this thread just has the right context: I'm in my 30s and I h…

There’s nothing wrong with you if you’re not into dancing. It’s 100% okay to be introverted and happy. Many people are. The only thing I would say is it might be worth the effort to try to get out and find some of your people, whoever they are. Feeling uncomfortable doing things like that is also totally normal, and imo sometimes feeling uncomfortable is an essential part of the human experience. I’m fairly extroverted and still feel awkward, anxious, or uncomfortable pretty regularly.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

geodel wrote: post #415
daedrdev wrote: post #366

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Many cities effectively ban or heavily restrict new housing developments that increase density. I'm really not surprised real estate prices continue to rise when building new units is often an extremely expensive, risky process that in some areas can be stopped at any time with literally no reason required

Huh, why is college getting expensive, healthcare getting expensive, day care getting expensive, hell even streaming services getting expensive, none of these are heavily restricted that no development is happening there. And in many cities breakneck construction activity is happening still real estate is getting very expensive. This seems rather simplistic reason to me.

All government interference—significantly restricting supply and then doling out free money/tax-breaks to pay for whats left. As if govt leaders never took an econ 101 class.

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Post by SamBam »

BigGreenJorts wrote: post #459
epolanski wrote: post #406

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I don't buy it. Going to a club is cheap, in most you only pay for drinks which a bit more expensive than in a pub, but it's not breaking the bank. Here in Italy you can go to a club and spend less than 10€s for the night if you don't have to eat. I'll say what the issue with clubs are: plenty of people never got there to have fun but to meet people and get laid. Now dating apps have removed the need for youth to go…

Obviously we live in different places, but I finished uni in Canada not too long ago and going to the club during uni was expensive. There was often a cover, if you want drinks at the bar, they'll be like 10-15$ each, if you drink at home, it's much cheaper. So usually we'd pre and then make our way to the club. But often , we'd get a little too drunk/high at home or enjoy one another's company enough that we never m…

Right, but rave culture used to be the antithesis of cover prices and fancy drinks. Rave culture was very much the domain of the transient, the semi-homeless, the youth that had left their parents houses without much money. (Plus some trust-fund kids of course, but they really weren't the majority.)

So "can't afford it" isn't an explanation for the decline in rave culture, even if it might be a reason kids don't go out to clubs today.

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Post by jakefromstatecs »

mjsir911 wrote: post #166

NPR did a recent expose about a local renegade spot & the shows it supports in my scene: https://www.kuow.org/stories/under-the-bridge-a-portrait-of-... With mixed results, it kind of burned the spot by virtue of being talked about in too wide an audience but I think it's also important to make it known to the mainstream that this kind of stuff is happening. All that's needed to make a rave happen is music & speakers…

Was a favorite spot of mine. A shame that the NPR coverage burned it.

At least we still have plenty of forest areas to renegade in.

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