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Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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What does he mean there is only one "Bluesky server" ? You can already run your own Personal data server (for your data), Relay (to aggregate all feeds), AppView (that holds a view of the data), or client (that talks to the AppView).

Can you seamlessly migrate your account (your id, followers, and posts) to another host without losing said followers? I think that's the main feature Doctrow is looking for?

It's a better situation than Mastadon because you can keep your handle. On Mastadon when you change servers you get a new handle since they are tied together.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Related : Corey Doctrow's article (again) about how he doesn't trust Bluesky enough to move there from mastodon. Especially Bluesky's promise to allow users to migrate to another host in the fediverse. https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-11-02... Older article : https://pluralistic.net/2023/08/06/fool-me-twice-we-dont-get...

Tim Bray doesn’t trust it, either: https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2024/11/15/Not-Blues...

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Yeah, and then experts will use ad-free alternative clients and most people won't. But it will still be better than other social media systems that ban alternative clients.

I guess then Bluesky will ban alternative clients and start charging for API, a-la Musk?

Twitter didn't wait for Musk to attack alternative clients, or charging for API access. Pretty sure that's why it took him all of 5 minutes to flip the switch and turn everything completely off.

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https://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3248079/twitter-limits-ap...

https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/16/17699626/twitter-third-pa...

> We’re committed to understanding why people hire 3rd party clients over our own apps.

https://www.androidauthority.com/heres-whats-really-happenin...

> To save you a click, the social network wants to charge up to $2899.99 per month for developers to use this new API on up to 250 users. Of course, that’s untenable. The developers don’t want to pay it and, frankly, neither do their users, us, you, or any other sane person. Additionally, a good third party Twitter app will clearly have more than 250 users. However, as Luke explains, this new API is never (and was never) for third party apps.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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When you actually look at what people do instead of what they say, it often shows that that's really the only choice people want.

Well, yes. Bluesky offers something close to the look and feel and, crucially, community of pre-ruined twitter, plus some new community moderation tools. Realistically 99% of its users don't care about and arguably don't even want decentralization.

Right, they want the fruits of it. They just don't want the sustainable agriculture.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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The broad set of perspectives is "H-1B visas are great because it lets us exploit workers" vs "H-1B visas are terrible because I'm a racist." Read trending tweets and you'll see no different. Some diversity they got there.

No, those aren't the only viewpoints on the site. Twitter's got leftists, rightists, uninformed randos, journalists, shitposters, everything. Skip "trending," for sure, but the algorithm is pretty good at giving you what you want to see.

I think some people were just so used to only seeing one type of opinion over and over which confirmed and/or formed their biases and now that Twitter/X was liberated they can't comprehend that their worldview is just one of many and in many cases when allowed people have easily poked holes in it. It's difficult for people to accept that they've possibly been wrong about things, or at the least have their beliefs challenged and not have an authority to appeal to that will make dissent go away.

I do think leaving Twitter because you don't want to be on a corporate social media network is a valid reason though. But Bluesky isn't that. It's just safespace 2.0.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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On Twitter I get to see interactions between the people that built games I played as a kid, famous actors, Nobel prize winners, heads of state, and authors I had assumed died decades ago. If I write something insightful and relevant enough, I might get a gesture of appreciation from a FAANG research director, a prominent philosopher, or just someone who writes the funniest aphorisms I've ever seen. It's toxic in some…

sounds like an interactive tabloid. who gives a shit about famous people? authors I assumed died decades ago? Literally I do not give a single shit what Stephen King or JK Rowling thinks have fun with that, but you just explained why it never appealed to me. Weird idolatry. Reddit has the same problem. Interesting people talk about ideas, not other people > something insightful enough you mean if you play the game an…

> who gives a shit about famous people?

Lots of people. That's why they're famous. You may not, but many do, and that's okay.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Related : Corey Doctrow's article (again) about how he doesn't trust Bluesky enough to move there from mastodon. Especially Bluesky's promise to allow users to migrate to another host in the fediverse. https://doctorow.medium.com/https-pluralistic-net-2024-11-02... Older article : https://pluralistic.net/2023/08/06/fool-me-twice-we-dont-get...

Bluesky's only hope to be anything other than a twitter clone posing as a distributed protocol while hoping that Musk Diggs his own grave, was if it were a rich man's hobby and charity, and Dorsey has long left the building.

https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mik...

> This tool was designed such that it had, you know, it was a base level protocol. It had a reference app on top. It was designed to be controlled by the people. I think the greatest idea — which we need — is an algorithm store, where you choose how you see all the conversations. But little by little, they started asking Jay and the team for moderation tools, and to kick people off. And unfortunately they followed through with it.

> That was the second moment I thought, uh, nope. This is literally repeating all the mistakes we made as a company. This is not a protocol that's truly decentralized. It’s another app. It's another app that's just kind of following in Twitter's footsteps, but for a different part of the population.

> Everything we wanted around decentralization, everything we wanted in terms of an open source protocol, suddenly became a company with VCs and a board. That's not what I wanted, that's not what I intended to help create.

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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All social media is bad, except for the ones you personally use? If it's about discussing pseudo/anonymously, you can do that on other plaforms too, right?

You can't possibly miss the huge difference between a discussion board and doom scrolling machines.

I consider HN a doom scrolling machine as well

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Can you seamlessly migrate your account (your id, followers, and posts) to another host without losing said followers? I think that's the main feature Doctrow is looking for?

Yes you can change your PDS without losing anything.

You won't lose your existing followers? They will still be able to see your new and old posts from your new host? Even if Bluesky suspends your account?

If that is true then that probably goes a long way in addressing the concern Doctrow and others have with Bluesky.

edit: According to one article[1] PDS isn't really full federation like what mastodon has. Right now you can only host your own account in your PDS (But they plan to gradually increase that limit to 10, and then more later)[2]. But it's certainly a good start. Not sure if Bluesky will have the capability to block you from reaching your own followers though (say if they ban or suspend your account).

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/6/24062837/bluesky-drops-inv...

[2] https://docs.bsky.app/blog/self-host-federation

Re: Trying to use Bluesky without getting burned again

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Mastodon is worse if you pick servers that insist on being activist, and bother to care about the drama, sure. You don't need to do either.

But then you need to research the severs, shop around, and a bunch of other shit people don’t have time for. A bad user experience is just that: bad.

Just like you need to do when picking a forum to register on or a social media site to sign up to. This isn't something new.

It will also shake out, in that most people will tend towards well-known, large instances that will survive and grow exactly because they refuse to engage with the more obnoxious part of the drama.

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