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Tesla Driver assistance as it exists today makings driving far easier. You can relax and once you learn where it needs help very rarely take over. It only needs to continue the rate of improvement for another 9 months and you have robot taxi. Lots of people are ignoring this because of politics.
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If Tesla were to artificially set up limitations like highway only, daytime, clearly visible lanes, good weather, car in front, no construction zones, no lane changes, etc, then they would easily have been able to offer full L3 and take full liability for it. Tesla FSD is practically perfected, with no accidents whatsoever, under such conditions already. But Elon wouldn't want to release this kind of gimped system as…
This is so absurd. If they could accurately predict when their system is so reliable, they could get it certified for Level 3 use in these conditions. That's not a gimped version, that's strictly better than the product they offer. They can't though. Mercedes-Benz can. To pretend that Tesla doesn't offer a better product because they don't want to is...
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Supercruise might be comparable to Tesla's "Autosteer" product but its incomparable to Tesla's paid "FSD Supervised" product. The latter is closer to a Waymo or Cruise than it is to a Mercedes or GM driver assist.
> The latter is closer to a Waymo or Cruise than it is to a Mercedes or GM driver assist. It depends how you look at it, but in the (super limited) cases where you can use Mercedes Drive Pilot you can legally and safely read a book, watch a movie, or work while in the driver's seat. [1] That's not the case with any Tesla product. [1] https://www.mbusa.com/en/owners/manuals/drive-pilot
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That's a "GM's business model" problem, which is again a GM problem. The top-selling EV maker in the US doesn't have any dealerships, so clearly it's not an insurmountable problem. GM just hasn't prioritized surmounting it.
The top-selling EV maker in the US also has: vehicles regularly catching on fire for no reason vehicles driving into the back of emergency vehicles, slamming on the brakes in the middle of highways - both because the CEO decreed that RADAR/LIDAR isn't necessary Issues with its "self driving" randomly swerving at objects, pedesrtians, cyclists, other vehicles... Enormous service/parts/bodywork backlogs vehicles blackl…
Not even that, colleague's Model 3 died because it was parked out in rather normal european heavy rain over 1 night. It just completely died.
Tesla service center just took it and replaced it without any questions - clear sign this wasn't an exception and it was well known issue at that point.
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Is battery manufacturing that bad for the environment? I mean, ICE cars still have wheels, drivetrains, chassis, doors, windows, chairs, electronics, paint and many other things, same as the EVs. The electric motor I can't imagine its worse to produce than a combustion motor. So that leaves batteries as the cause of this huge disparity on day one, that takes 100,000km of fuel consumption to overtake. Is this with the…
My guess: Most of the CO2 emissions for making cars comes from the body of the car. It is basically identical between ICE and EV. I guess a modern car body is a combo of steel and aluminium. (Is that correct?)
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/20...
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> systems from 2016 would usually pass your "go there without touching the wheel or pedals" test Can you give an example? I'm not aware of anything in 2016 that would consistently pass this test.
Well, there's consistently and there's consistently . In 2016 Waymo reported their safety drivers intervening once for every 5,100 miles driven [1] - which implies to me that 99% of journeys nobody touched the wheel or pedals. The problem is 99% isn't enough, as there are tremendous numbers of cars out there, and a busy bit of freeway would get a disengagement per minute. [1] https://driverless.wonderhowto.com/news/2…
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If you look at the lifecycle analysis of ICE cars, burning the fuel is the major contributor. So if you drive an average amount with those cars you're not saving the planet by continuing to drive them. In a well functioning system you'd be selling them on to people who drive very little and are old and set in their ways and replacing them with an EV.
> If you look at the lifecycle analysis of ICE cars, burning the fuel is the major contributor (Genuine question, not whataboutism...) what about the environmental aspects of manufacturing and distributing a vehicle other than CO2 emissions ? > old and set in their ways I fear I may be approaching this stage myself! :)
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Tesla salespeople can explain this well though. And the cars come equipped and they let you FSD without them in the vehicle. The confidence exhudes
What tesla salespeople? They're pretty well known for flaunting the dealer model. I've never bought a tesla, but from the friends that have bought one one of the big plusses is you don't talk to a salesperson at all, you buy the car at a fixed retail price online. Has this changed recently?
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I test-drove a Model S about that time - it was hair-raising because the system would correct the cars position about a half-second after I would have. I hovered my hands by the wheel the whole time, waiting for it to careen us into a bridge abutment. While SuperCruise is a highway only system, riding in a friend's car with it was pretty much a non-event.
Are you comparing a system 10 years ago with a system now?
Tesla Driver assistance as it exists today makings driving far easier. You can relax and once you learn where it needs help very rarely take over. It only needs to continue the rate of improvement for another 9 months and you have robot taxi. Lots of people are ignoring this because of politics.
Its needed another 9 months for about 5 years now. Tell me, was it also for political reasons that Tesla stopped reporting disengagement data?
The Elon hate is so ingrained here, people are ignoring what’s happening right in front of their eyes.