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South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

skissane wrote: post #408
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #172

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> if the opposition is controlling the parliament, isn't that the majority and isn't the opposition controlling the president? You're confusing prime ministers in parliamentary democracies, e.g. the UK with presidents [1]. [1] https://www.britannica.com/story/whats-the-difference-betwee...

I think the point is, the term “opposition” only really makes sense in a parliamentary system. In a Presidential system like the US, there officially speaking isn’t an “opposition”. (I don’t even think all parliamentary systems officially have an “opposition” status for the largest party/coalition outside government.) But journalists tend to impose the term on non-US presidential systems, when they wouldn’t do it to…

> In a Presidential system like the US, there officially speaking isn’t an “opposition”

True, there's a minority and majority.

> journalists tend to impose the term on non-US presidential systems

Didn't President Yoon call them the opposition? Or is that a liberal translation?

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Post by majesticglue »

onemoresoop wrote: post #165
tacheiordache wrote: post #68

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Yes, Putin meddling in North Korea should be alarming to South Korea.

No. South Korea should be more alarmed about how US is treating their allies. Henry Kissinger quote: “It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.”

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Post by MrMcCall »

dsego wrote: post #249
MrMcCall wrote: post #81

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We've been in the prologue to Version 3 since the end of WWII. It's the nature of what we, the citizenry, have allowed to happen with our governments and multinational corps: destruction of the environment, subjugation of the people, and arming themselves to the teeth instead of prioritizing peace and prosperity for one and all. Compassion is the only viable step forward, and its manifestation requires stopping the b…

The Long Road to War, a recent documentary about ww1 opened my eyes regarding geopolitics. The gist is that conflict was bound to happen, the spark that started was just the first domino to fall to set everything in motion. The way the leaders and top level brass think is in terms of opportunity. Country x is weaker now, they will be superior in 10-15 years, let's attack now while we have an advantage. Or in the oppo…

All of what you say is true, but the overarching fact remains that all those problems are caused by selfish justification of one party's benefit at the expense of others. While a good people must prepare for war when their neighbor demonstrates oppressive intentions, the overall state of the world is one of competition over cooperation, selfishness or selflessness, greedy hoarding over generous sharing, and callous disregard over empathetic compassion.

And, yes, the unfortunate fact is that compassionate, awakened-to-a-better-way-is-possible folks are thin on the ground, indeed. As with all things human, we each have the choice to learn how to be better, and the power to do it. It is our human potential, so sadly denied as even possible by the vast majority, to our collective misery.

Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #451
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #374

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> CNN is reporting that parliament has successfully overturned martial law National Assembly has voted to lift martial law. Yoon (and the army) would still have to recognise it.

Yoon or the army would still have to recognize it.

> Yoon or the army would still have to recognize it

If the army recognises it and Yoon does not, that's still a coup d'etat. It's just that the military is siding with the National Assembly. The only way for this to consittutionally resolve is Yoon recognises it as well as the army.

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Post by flerchin »

ncr100 wrote: post #443
flerchin wrote: post #38

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I'm seeing his approval rating at 25% or so. https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/nation/2024/12/356_387448.h...

Awaiting the jump to 105% approval. ;-/ I wonder what the level of journalistic independences is in KR. What their public discourse is like. How truth, and opinions are tolerated.

RSF says:

> The Republic of Korea (South Korea) is a liberal democracy that respects media freedom and pluralism. However, tradition and business interests often prevent journalists from fulfilling their role as watchdogs, and populist political tendencies stoke hatred of journalists.

https://rsf.org/en/country/south-korea

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Post by MrMcCall »

phkahler wrote: post #99
MrMcCall wrote: post #19

It's a very brief news article but this caught my eye: "He has also been dismissing calls for independent investigations into scandals involving his wife and top officials" Well, there's a standard motive. And, if there's two things that seems constant in conservative politics, it's that they don't want anything to change (by defintion of 'conservative'), and they do seem to be forever embroiled in accusations of cor…

>> And, if there's two things that seems constant in conservative politics, it's that they don't want anything to change (by defintion of 'conservative'), and they do seem to be forever embroiled in accusations of corruption. Remember "accusation of corruption" is not the same as proven corruption, but making an accusation is an overt action by someone. Many accusations are false and sometimes are even projections.

Also remember that the guilty power-mongers' first defense is always "deny, deny, deny".

The first casualty of corruption is honesty.

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Post by majesticglue »

cyp0633 wrote: post #210
sneak wrote: post #177

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It’s a hedge for ifwhen things get difficult over Taiwan. The USA without cheap Chinese manufacturing is basically dead in the water. It is approximately unfathomable how much of the comfortable and cheap way of life enjoyed in the US is directly dependent on trade with China and mindbendingly cheap Chinese manufacturing labor. The ~most valuable company in the country is 100% beholden to Chinese manufacturing to mak…

Not gonna happen in recent years, I suppose. PRC also needs US-designed and/or Taiwan-manufactured advanced chips. The possibility of war will ever decrease as long as more and more people wake up to the consequences.

Someone's not privy to how fast China is progressing nowadays. Americans are so ignorant on Chinese technological prowess right now. Chinese EVs are dominating every market in the world aside from US which has basically banned it essentially, otherwise we'd have very affordable cars in America. America banned DJI drones which owns about 70-80% of the world market on drones. China recently unleashed an open source AI model (and this is with limited funding and compute because they put a ban on exports of US and Taiwan chips) that rivals openai o1 with a fraction of funding. Not to mention how China has always had the lead on manufacturing automation and robots.

Man Americans are oblivious to how fast China is progressing.

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Post by majesticglue »

tw1984 wrote: post #385
aurareturn wrote: post #343

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I don't see why the need for advanced chips would prevent China from using its military on Taiwan. If anything, the US-led blockade of advanced chips to China will make it more likely for China to use force. If China can't get their hands on the most advanced TSMC chips, then why would they let the US do so and get too far ahead in AI? Both can't have them then.

> If anything, the US-led blockade of advanced chips to China will make it more likely for China to use force. you watched too much MSM 1. the whole taiwan thing is just an excuse to force the united state to waste more resources on a topic selected and controlled by China. nothing is better at wasting US efforts by forcing it to keep investing borrowed $ in its military presence over 10,000km away from its mainland,…

I'm glad people are getting it. China is not as war hungry as america is as it's being made out to be on MSM.

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Post by majesticglue »

aurareturn wrote: post #399
NickC25 wrote: post #372

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If China so much as touches Taiwan, all the TSMC fabs will explode. They are all already rigged to do so. The Taiwanese will burn their island to the ground before they let the CCP get their hands on Taiwan.

No, they aren't rigged to explode. And no, the Taiwanese won't burn their island to the ground. So much propaganda.

lmao. these americans are hopeless arent they? "Rigged to explode" LOL. Not to mention China is catching up fast on chips.

American propaganda...one day Americans are going to wake up and realize, China has taken over in all areas of tech and Americans are going to be in such denial that they'll want war... sigh. China is already leading in many areas, not all of them yet, but they soon are

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Post by s1artibartfast »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #470
s1artibartfast wrote: post #466

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The question is then what the Constitution says about a president who fails to execute his constitutional obligations, such as lifting martial law once it is nullified. Is there an impeachment process for a constitutional violations or a faster solution. I don't even know if there is a faster route than impeachment in the US system.

> Is there an impeachment process for a constitutional violations There's an impeachment process. Creating a separate, faster one for constitutional violations is just inviting trouble.

If I recall correctly, I thought there was some legal provision in the US for the military to disobey unconstitutional orders. If it doesn't exist de jure, I suppose it always exists de facto, both in the US and elsewhere.

I think it is always interesting when the curtain gets pulled back to reveal how all of our political systems and norms simply overlay the fact that power is the ultimate law of the land.

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