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Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Every single Australian 's ID will have to be verified (in order to confirm their age). Depending on the degree of cooperation (/coercion) the Australian government has with social media companies, the Aus Govt will be able to access citizen social media data with relative ease. So no more pseudo anonymous accounts (or, at least, they'll be made more difficult, especially for non-technical folk). Reminds of the 'chil…

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Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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post #457

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Germany has a system in their ID cards that allows anonymous age verification. No one uses it but it’s a technical marvel in my opinion. The site asks for specific read permissions and the user can decide if he wants to grant them. One of these permissions is age verification. You put the phone on the ID card and there is a cryptographic proof that the user connecting to the site is in possession of an ID of a person…

It's hardly an age verification if it just requires the bearer to have an adult's ID card. You borrow your friend's card, or you "borrow" your parent's card, or you pay someone who sees this market opportunity. I think it's ridiculous how the lawgivers are telling the companies to just nerd harder, but they're definitely going to have to nerd harder than that.

I think it’s better than transmitting everything including the biometric picture and requiring the camera to be on.

How would you implement age verification?

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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This is going to be an interesting experiment to watch. Because if I know kids, they will find any creative way they can to circumvent the ban. And even worse is if some actor out there starts catering to kids by publishing "proxy services". My opinion on this is that it's the same as banning drugs. People want to use them, and will find any way to use them.

This is where kids might flock to decentralized options like Mastadon or something.

I suspect it'll be even simpler. That some major service like Discord for example will fly under the AU government radar simply because it's chat.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Government controlled access to internet is a disgrace in any form. I can control my child without the government.

> I can control my child Lies every parents tell themselves. Either they will watch porn at age 11 at school or at a friend, or you isolate them from society and they resent you forever. You can't control every aspect of your child's real life or online activities, that's naive and I don't believe you actually have children, let alone teenagers.

You shouldn't want to control every aspect of a child's life. You control what you can and should control, and the kid is aware of that, and you let them decide the rest. They will do things you don't want them to do, and that's fine. That's part of growing up.

What you don't want is to say "I can't control every part of my kid's life, so I need to government to come in and control the remainder."

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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post #162

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Governments should not be in the business of telling tech companies how to design software. Honest observers will look back on the anti-social-media movement as a moral panic. It isn't so much that social media is good, it's that the proper attitude toward new, scary things is to integrate them into your life in a healthy way rather than banning them. And if we should ban anything it's drugs and gambling, not tiktok

> it's that the proper attitude toward new, scary things is to integrate them into your life in a healthy way rather than banning them Exactly, just like we did with DDT, leaded paint, leaded gas, freon in fridges, uranium in lipsticks, PFAS, food additives, &c. > Governments should not be in the business of telling tech companies how to design software. And tech companies should't be in the business of influencing w…

"And tech companies should't be in the business of influencing who will govern you"

Who should be?

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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Government controlled access to internet is a disgrace in any form. I can control my child without the government.

> I can control my child Lies every parents tell themselves. Either they will watch porn at age 11 at school or at a friend, or you isolate them from society and they resent you forever. You can't control every aspect of your child's real life or online activities, that's naive and I don't believe you actually have children, let alone teenagers.

Indeed, but I don't find that amount of control reasonable. I can do enough control to be completely fine.

Re: Australia: Kids under 16 to be banned from social media after Senate passes laws

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> Governments should not be in the business of telling tech companies how to design software. This sounds a lot like "Governments should not be in the business of telling tobacco companies how to design cigarettes." Social media use is a problem for developing brains. I'm not saying I like Australia's plan, but, like the person you're replying to, I like the spirit of it.

Tobacco use is problematic because it causes cancer . I don’t think the analogy is apt.

Isn't it more problematic because the nicotine causes addiction, making tobacco users orders of magnitude more likely to develop cancer? Social media sites are designed to cause addiction, to keep people doom scrolling and looking for their next dopamine hit for as long as possible. But even if addiction isn't our main contention and we want to keep the comparison to ailments, social media is also responsible for mental illnesses like depression, anxiety, eating disorders, etc. in developing children.
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