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Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by anshumankmr »

tylerchilds wrote: post #470
jeromegv wrote: post #47

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Not the same demographic but their last large attempt at live was through a Love is blind reunion. It was the same thing, millions of people logging in, epic failure, nothing worked. They never tried to do a live reunion again. I suppose they should have to get the experience. Because they are hitting the same problems with a much bigger stake event.

this is false, the tom brady roast was live streamed yes, love is blind failed, but was definitely not the most recent attempt. they did some other golf thing too, iirc

tom brady is largely a guy popular in the USA whereas Mike Tyson is globally famous. It follows that this fight would attract a larger audience.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

One similar crash I remember very well was CNN on 9/11 - I tired to connect from France but is down the whole day.

Since then I am very used to it because our institutional web sites traditionally crash when there is a deadline (typically the taxes or school inscriptions).

As for that one, my son is studying in Europe (I am also in Europe), he called me desperate at 5 am or so to check if he is the only one with the problem (I am the 24/7 family support for anything plugged in). After having liberally insulted Netflix he realized he confirmed with his grandparents that he will be helping them at 10 :)

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by colesantiago »

jhugo wrote: post #349
colesantiago wrote: post #269

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What more proof do you need other than the fact that streams went down worldwide on a highly anticipated event from a public company? I wouldn't be surprised if lots of engineers at Netflix are currently now writing up a length post mortem of this. And this is from the company that created the discipline of chaos engineering for resilience. It is clear they under invested and took the eye of the ball with this. This…

The assumption that it was related to insufficient investment isn’t supported by any evidence. Flawed technical decisions can be made by the most expensive engineers too.

The evidence is that the stream went down.

We will see why it went down and to what extent they underinvested in their post mortem.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by anshumankmr »

jimbob45 wrote: post #29
freditup wrote: post #8

I wonder if there will be any long term reputational repercussions for Netflix because of this. Amongst SWEs, Netflix is known for hiring the best people and their streaming service normally seems very solid. Other streaming services have definitely caught up a bit and are much more reliable then in the early days, but my impression still has always been that Netflix is a step above the rest technically. This sure do…

Yeah, the funny part is that Hulu, Amazon Prime, and Peacock have all demonstrated the ability to handle an event of this caliber with no issue. Netflix now may never get another opportunity like this again.

Chances are Jake might fight Connor McGregor. Sure, Connor is not as famous as Tyson but that will also invite a large number of people to stream it.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by A4ET8a8uTh0 »

immibis wrote: post #441
A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #428

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Sigh, none of the competitors are much better. Disney, who has more than enough cash to throw at streaming, is a near constant hassle for us ( after 3 or more episodes it throws an inscrutable error on Playstation ). I would drop it, but this is the only remaining streaming service and wife is not willing to drop it ( I guess until 1 it is one error per one episode ).

I keep hearing that a lot of people are switching to the illegal competitor for better service.

Eh, the beef that I have is that I am already a paying customer. Why does it seem like I am getting subpar service in terms of delivery? I know it is a tired conversation on this forum, but corporations big and small do what they can do mess with experience to eke out few more cents from customers. It almost does not matter which industry one looks at, it is the same story; the only difference is typically how egregious things get[1].

[1]https://www.marketwatch.com/story/i-opt-to-fly-private-no-ma...

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

thrwaway1985882 wrote: post #403
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #341

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I was consulting at a place, there was a very bad programmer whose code looked sort of like this cost arrayIneed = []; const arrayIdontNeed = firstArray.map(item => { if(item.hasProp) { arrayIneed.push(item); } }); return arrayIneed; the above is very much a cleaned up and elegant version of what he would actually push into the repo. he left for a competitor in the same industry, this was at the second biggest compan…

> the manager said there were some layoffs coming up and he would have been out with those but because of the way things worked it didn't make sense to let him go earlier. Incentives are fucked across the board right now. Move on a low performer today and you'll have an uphill battle for a backfill at all. If you get one, many companies are "level-normalizing" (read: level-- for all backfills). Or perhaps your manage…

this however was back when incentives were not so messed up, but sure.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by HDThoreaun »

joshuakcockrell wrote: post #163
nicce wrote: post #49

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Amazon Prime front page includes currently a lot of ads for movies that you can rent or ”buy”. Are you sure these movies weren’t them?

This is my biggest issue with Prime Video. You never know what's included and what costs extra.

You can toggle to only show free content. Still get ads but theyre obvious.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by samatman »

robertlagrant wrote: post #335
samatman wrote: post #313

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Piracy is distributed, yes. I think that is the point, in fact.

Everything's easy when it's someone else's content.

I have to assume this is some snarky way of saying "violating copyright is Bad, m'kay".

Because taken at face value it's false. Any technical challenges involved in distributing a stream cannot possibly be affected by the legal status of the bits being pushed across the network.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by anshumankmr »

spencerchubb wrote: post #110
wonderwonder wrote: post #39

Is this potentially an aws issue?

I would assume not because twitch runs on aws. I think netflix engineers haven't optimized as much for livestreaming like twitch has

I do not think twitch has the amount of concurrent users netflix might have had today morning for the fight.

Re: Netflix buffering issues: Boxing fans complain about Jake Paul vs. Mike Tyson

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Post by dylan604 »

tiluha wrote: post #466
phyrex wrote: post #454

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Scale changes everything, I don't think it's fair to shrug this off

This is true, but scale comes after production. Once you have the video encoded on a server with a stable connection the hard part is over. What netflix failed to do is spread the files to enough servers around the globe to handle the load. I'm surprised they were unable(?) to use their network of edge servers to handle the live stream. Just run the stream with a 10 second delay and in that time push the stream segme…

This right here is where I'd expect the failure to occur. This isn't Joey Beercan running OBS using their home internet connectivity.

This is a major broadcast. I'd expect a full on broadcast truck/trailer. If they were attempting to broadcast this with the ($) option directly to a server from onsite, then I would demand my money back. Broadcasting a live IP signal just falls on its face so many times it's only the cheap bastard option. Get the video signal as a video signal away from the live location to a facility with stable redundant networking.

This is the kind of thinking someone only familiar with computers/software/networking would think of rather than someone in broadcasting. It's nice to think about disrupting, but this is the kind of failure that disruptors never think about. Broadcasters have been there done that with ensuring live broadcasts don't go down because an internet connection wasn't able to keep up.

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