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The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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post #309

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They're not just banded into a range based on their grade. They're banded into a grade based on their age, even though "being within a year of the same age as somebody" becomes essentially meaningless as soon as you're out of school.

Yes but that’s because you (mostly) stop physically growing once you are out of school. Banded within a year is meaningless for adults, a 25 yr old isn’t that different than a 30 year old but a 5 year old and a 10 year old are distinctly different. They are at different points in their development physically, emotionally and mentally. They socialize differently and have different needs. I’m not saying they can’t inte…

As the kid who stood 4-6 inches taller than the next tallest kid in my class until I stopped getting taller when I was 5'8" and 11 years old, I'm acutely aware that kids physically grow at entirely different rates even during school. (I'm a woman, so this is still above average height, but I'm nowhere close to as awkwardly tall as I was in a room full of 11yos.) Look at any classroom and you'll see a wide variety of physical development.

I'm just saying age is an arbitrary indicator for every category I can think of, and most situations would benefit from using a more relevant metric. In situations where size matters the most, let the huge 10yo play with the 11 or 12yos and the tiny one be with the 8 or 9yos. When I was 11, for safety reasons my karate instructor had me start training with the adult women who were closer to my size. In situations where intellectual ability is the relevant factor, you might have even a broader reach. If my parents hadn't refused, my kindergarten principal wanted to have me in 3rd grade by the end of my first year and doing two a year after that. Sitting through 13 full years of classroom instruction instead of 5 or 6 was miserable. Somebody you share interests with might happily overlook the fact that you're a couple years younger and still want to be friends. It's at least more likely than that someone will overlook the fact that you have absolutely nothing in common because, hey, you were born within a couple months of each other!

Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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That 1960s court ruling would be worth reading, to see how it was rationalized, and for discovery of related legal cases. LexisNexis or an LLM might be able to find it.

The court case should have been late 70s, early 80s --- as it was explained to me, it was ruled as unfair that some children got a college education, while others who graduated from the same school had to pay for college

ChatGPT didn't find any cases, but offered this:

  There were debates about whether military children attending base schools were receiving benefits not available to children in the local civilian school systems. This issue could have come up in various ways, such as in cases where military dependents might have access to college-level classes or subsidized education while local students did not.

Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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I wouldn't say it has failed completely, but yes, it has not delivered on the promise. Edtech and teaching is close to my heart and I have spent a lot of time analyzing this. My insights are mostly from what I have observed in India. Edtech has failed in India because there is very little tech and even little education in the apps. Mostly edtech in India equates to exam preparation apps. Other approaches like the duo…

Hi! Can you show some of that interactive text book?

Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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Montessori is more of a brand. People definitely perceive it to be the way you are describing, but really, if there were something old and certain, it would be widely used. On the flip side, there are lots of pedagogical practices that are proven, and this article is trying to show you how they are probably being disrupted by cell phones.

?? i went to a montessori school and i learned how to read and write poetry, cursive, tie my shoes, use scissors, all 4 mathematical operations, how to read novels, hell, i used to read our encyclopedia for fun, did a project on the bernoulli principal, and more, all before 2nd grade. no one i have ever met had an identical experience

The comment is really weird.

Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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> It's what a lot people here have already said. Education is what is failing, EdTech didn't magically solve this. To expand this more globally - anything that requires human interaction fails at scale. Healthcare, trade skills, education, housing, etc. is all "failing" to some degree no matter how much technology we throw at it. The costs continually go up and the value isn't paired to it.

I understand education and healthcare, but how do trade skills and housing require human interaction? For housing especially, a lot of foreign/remote investors can own houses and just collect rent checks from tenants in a pretty hand-off manner. Housing is supply-limited, sure, and heavily regulated, sure, but I don't think it requires human interaction, and certainly not to the scale of education or healthcare.

> trade skills

Who installs pipes, builds walls, installs electrical conduits? Humans.

> just collect rent checks from tenants in a pretty hand-off manner

Dwellings still require regular power, heat, security, support and regular maintenance. Those all require human beings.

Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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Not only are we paying teachers worse than we used to, we are actually spending more on education! The scandal is the addition of more useless Administrator positions. https://x.com/TCCRI/status/1760792700771533084

I feel like I see this more everywhere. What do these admin personnel even do?

From what I've seen, they are trying to steer the ship of education towards the dominant political ideology in the area. Or they may be tasked with fixing a perceived problem in the existing bureaucracy.

Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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> My wife had one kid scream for 10 minutes yesterday Did she actually allow this kid to disrupt the entire class for 10 minutes? Isn't there a responsibility to all the other students that they should have a reasonable learning environment? I remember being sent to the office for a lot less than that.

- Some schools don't have the resources to send a kid who screams for 10 minutes to the office. Schools in bad areas may have a line of battery incidents waiting for admin's attention by noon. There are schools where second graders threatening the teacher with sexual assault is just a Tuesday and basically gets ignored. - Schools in nicer areas are sometimes in the middle of some dumbshit half-implemented (the other…

> Schools in bad areas may have a line of battery incidents waiting for admin's attention by noon.

Don't kids get expelled anymore? How the hell could you feel comfortable sending your kid to a school that is so full of violence? That's crazy.

Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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And so what? Those gatekeepers might not accept a John Carmack or a Palmer Luckey (or Bill Gates or Larry Ellison or Vitalik Buterin, etc, etc), but how many of their certificate-holders have done any comparably significant engineering work?

Does it matter for them? Would any employer/investor, seeking to hire/fund carmack etc hold back because they didn't have a cert? The vanishingly few with those levels of talent stand out quite easily and don't need "proof of competency" to be evaluated. For the _vast majority_ of others, certification allows employers to have externally-validated trust in an engineer who mightn't stand out as obviously.

Early in their careers, even exceptional people face obstacles from gate-keepers. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there have been Germans of similar temperament, credentials and talent as Carmack or Luckey but who struggled much longer to stand out to a sufficient degree that they could get great job opportunities or funding in a that much more credentialist environment.

I like to imagine that such people would have found a way to emigrate and make their impact abroad. Either way, the cost to Germany itself (and Europe generally) has been immense.

Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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?? i went to a montessori school and i learned how to read and write poetry, cursive, tie my shoes, use scissors, all 4 mathematical operations, how to read novels, hell, i used to read our encyclopedia for fun, did a project on the bernoulli principal, and more, all before 2nd grade. no one i have ever met had an identical experience

The comment is really weird.

it was more to illustrate the point that montessori isn’t just a brand, it’s a whole different way of teaching and learning

Re: The EdTech Revolution Has Failed

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post #369

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"Education only camouflages stupidity, it does not remove it." You are arguing that low intelligence is innate, unchangeable. Which sounds very much like saying stupidity is genetic.

Yes, it is innate, with a high degree of heritability. No one questions physical traits are innate, but some how when it comes to IQ it become highly contested... Why, do think otherwise?

You are using the word "heritable" as evidence for the "innateness" of a trait. "Innate" can mean multiple things, but the implication here is that it implies genetic determinism. Heritability statistics do not establish genetic determinism and, for intelligence, there's now substantial evidence in the other direction.
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