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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by esafak »

aboringusername wrote: post #57

Excuse my possible ignorance but I had a question: Does ChatGPT have 'up to date knowledge' in terms of latest versions of software? When I have used it I asked it to help me with VueJS but whilst it knew about version 3 (which is substantially different to V2) it didn't know the very latest version. Isn't this going to be problematic if it's trying to help code but has outdated information? Won't this result in more…

This happens with other LLMs too. They don't know what they don't know. They ought to check what version you are using and at least issue a warning if the major number is different.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by fnordpiglet »

epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

I think that’s probably more that programmers are early adopters of new technologies and the people building the technologies are programmers. There are lots of roles that are more easy to automate completely with an LLM as they improve, but are harder to make inroads with. I expect as the initial waves of LLM startups mature and winnow we will some fields almost entirely automate. For instance medical coding feels totally ripe since it’s basically a natural language classification exercise easily fine tuned.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jen729w »

epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

I'm a solo business owner who knows enough JS/TS/HTML/CSS to get by -- my product is a website full of information -- but I've never been 'a developer'.

ChatGPT et. al. is a miraculous boost to my productivity. This morning I needed a function to iterate over some JSON and do stuff with it. Fairly mundane, and I could have written it myself.

Doing so would have been boring, routine, and would have taken me at least an hour. I asked ChatGPT 4o and I got exactly what I wanted in 30 seconds.

I can only hope that these tools enable more people like me to build more cool things. That's how it's affected me: I never would have hired another dev. No job is lost. I'm just exponentially better at mine.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by mekoka »

dboreham wrote: post #430
boodleboodle wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…

Sticking to my prediction that lawyers will be first.

Live counsel in sensitive situations is definitely in the works, if not already in beta. Get pulled over by cops, or have the authorities asking to enter the premises, bring up your AI counsel and let them talk to the officer, before giving you advice on how to proceed. I can even envision an eventual future where public pressure results in law enforcement being paired with an AI assistant to help refresh their memory on some of the articles of the law.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by m3kw9 »

epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

With how easy it is to do until functions, there is gonna be a new baseline in functionality and speed of development for what people expect of software in general. It’s gonna ramp up from here till we get to generative UIs

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by trees101 »

jdiez17 wrote: post #371
j45 wrote: post #349

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Sounds a little like aider.chat

It is quite similar but I found aider a bit clunky to use in that it creates a new commit with a huge message being the whole conversation and context. Which can be a good thing of course, but for most things I'd rather accumulate changes until a feature is finished, then I commit.

I use aider with the --no-auto-commits flag. Then review code and do manual edits in VSCode, as well as manual git process. It achieves exactly what you're saying.

aider --sonnet --no-auto-commits --cache-prompts --no-stream --cache-keepalive-pings 5 --no-suggest-shell-commands`

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by emmanueloga_ »

boodleboodle wrote: post #416
epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…

Mechanical Turks will be the first to go.

More seriously, the output quality of LLMs for code is pretty inconsistent. I think there's an analogy to be made with literature. For instance, a short story generated by an LLM can't really hold a candle to the work of a human author.

LLM-generated code can be a good starting point for avoiding tedious aspects of software development, like boilerplate or repetitive tasks. When it works, it saves a lot of time. For example, if I need to generate a bunch of similar functions, an LLM can sometimes act like an ad-hoc code generator, helping to skip the manual labor. I’ve also gotten some helpful suggestions on code style, though mostly for small snippets. It’s especially useful for refreshing things you already know—like quickly recalling "How do I do this with TypeScript?" without needing to search for documentation.

Anyway, literature writers and software engineers aren't going to be replaced anytime soon.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by SoftTalker »

Jerrrrrrry wrote: post #359
stavros wrote: post #336

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Do you have a reference for the "Juggling dog" thing? I've heard it with "singing dog", but I never managed to find any "official" reference or explanation of the thing.

He meant singing dog, likely conflated due to his linguistic interest. "Juggling dog" has only been expressed a single time previously in our corpus of humanity: During the Middle Ages, however, church and state sometimes frowned more sternly on the juggler. "The duties of the king," said the edicts of the Sixth Council of Paris during the Middle Ages, "are to prevent theft, to punish adultery, and to refuse to maint…

It’s a great phrase all that aside. I’m adopting it.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by freediver »

tomduncalf wrote: post #267
randDev210901 wrote: post #226

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Do you mind elaborating on your setup and workflow? I tried using aider but either my local LLM is too slow or my software projects requires context sizes so large they make aider move at a crawl.

I was going to ask what size and complexity of projects OP uses it on. I can’t imagine doing my work just with a tool like that. Cursor is pretty impressive and a definite sooner boost though.

Fair point, most projects I do are prototypes and concepts for ideas I have. Up to 2000 lines of code, built from scratch. The mode of work is me commanding 95% of the time and coding about 5%.
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