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Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by ChuckMcM » Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 11:07 PM UTC

On the plus side, this is the kind of stuff you could screen pretty easily with large model machine learning. Not that there is a business in identifying scientific fraud, doing that with fraudulent government documents would probably have a better ROI (at least for the tax payer), but clearly we need a repository if every image/graph that has been published as evidence to start.

It would be something you could offer to journals perhaps as a business. Sort of "peer reviewed and fraud analyzed" kinda service.

What is truly sad for me is the 'wrong paths' many hard working and well meaning scientists get deflected down while someone cheats to get more 'impact' points.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by AndrewKemendo » Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 11:12 PM UTC

molave wrote: post #338

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #333

If I have learned anything over 40 years, is that the number of people who actually live in a way consistent with hypothesis testing, data collection, evidence evaluation framework required to have scientific confidence in future action or even claims is effectively zero That includes people who consider themselves professional scientists, PhD‘s authors, leaders etc. The only people I know who live “scientifically” c…

It's disheartening to think that the virtues you are told to have as a kid are considered "weak sauce" once you are an adult.

The reason many people hate children is because children are not satisfied with the level of epistemology that most people can provide them, and have no compunction in saying “that answer is unsatisfactory”

Hence why institutional pedagogy is so often rote and has nothing to do with understanding - when we know science of learning says that every human craves understanding (montessori, piaget etc…)

In fact, the shortest way to break the majority of people’s brains is to ask them one of the following questions:

- Can you Explain the reasoning behind your behavior?

- How would you test your hypothesis?

- What led you to the conclusion you just stated?

- Can you clarify the assumptions embedded in your claim?

-Have you evaluated the alternatives to your position?

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by griffzhowl » Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 11:14 PM UTC

neura wrote: post #381

griffzhowl wrote: post #293

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Run like a startup in what respect? It was a massive government-directed military project in wartime that was able to recruit all the top theoretical physicists at the time around a common aim in an urgent technological arms race to build the bomb. It included a vast effort of army engineers to build the facilities to process the fuel and so on. I'm not seeing the parallels with startups.

Even your description sounds like a startup, to me. There was a hook to get the funding (easy to get weapons funding in wartime). Recruiting the top talent. Urgency (beat everybody else to the punch). Outsourcing the building of infrastructure while you focus on the unique/hard part. I'm not seeing how you can't see the parallels with startups.

In that case any high-priority military intelligence project is "like a startup". Why say that it's run like a startup as opposed to just saying it was run like a high-priority military-intelligence project?

The GP suggested that a reason for the success of the Manhattan project was that it was run like a startup, whereas it seems more illuminating to point out that it was a massively funded military project in wartime. I was curious if there was some more specific rationale for the startup comparison

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by LtWorf » Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 11:14 PM UTC

momoschili wrote: post #323

drevil-v2 wrote: post #287

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In defence of the "less bright people" or deplorables as others have called them - they are deeply suspicious of Science(tm) used as a cudgel. They intuit that some parasitic entity or entities has latched on to Science and is co-opting it for it's own gain to achieve it's own purposes which run counter to the interests of the people. The heavy handed Covid response and censorship is a prime example of that. The whol…

How are "heavy handed covid response and censorship" a prime example of that?

It's not that it was heavy handed. But it was completely nonsensical.

For example here restaurants were open, but they had to close at 19. So instead of spreading the clientele over more hours, they were always 100% full.

Also, they CUT ⅔ of public transport rides, so they were incredibly overcrowded. People with real jobs that can't be done from home still had to go to work. BUT they put stickers on the floor telling people to keep distance. Also hired people to be at crowded stops to spray hand sanitizers on who wanted it, and tell people to keep distance (while seeing them having to push their way in).

In general all the restrictions were about the "having fun" stuff, but not about the "go to work" stuff. Even companies had no obligation to let people who could work from home stay at home. Some companies kept having their offices full.

Oh and let's not forget the recommendations of staying home if you so much as sneezed. But you wouldn't get paid. How did they expect people to pay their rent?

I could go on for hours with this. The bullshit measures that were marketed as "what the scientists are telling us to do" did a lot of harm to the trust that the general population puts into science.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 11:18 PM UTC

tedk-42 wrote: post #435

fluoridation wrote: post #428

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Well, the incentive is that he didn't want to run the tests out of laziness (i.e. he lacked an incentive to run them). He ran to Lisa to give his anticlimactic report not to be deceptive, but rather he just happened to be cycling through that part of town and just needed to use the bathroom really badly.

The writers of these episodes were really on another level considering it was a cartoon. Lisa's first word is still a personal favourite of mine, especially now as a father.

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Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by g4zj » Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 11:18 PM UTC

kenjackson wrote: post #465

tedk-42 wrote: post #435

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The writers of these episodes were really on another level considering it was a cartoon. Lisa's first word is still a personal favourite of mine, especially now as a father.

What's her first word?

Apparently it was "Bart". I had to look it up because I was curious as well.

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by rcxdude » Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 11:20 PM UTC

RunSet wrote: post #409

dekhn wrote: post #62

These sorts of articles raise so many thoughts and emotions in me. I was trained as a computational biologist with a little lab work and ran gels from time to time. Personally, I hated gels- they're finicky, messy, ugly, and don't really tell you very much. But molecular biology as a field runs on gels- it's the priimary source of results for almost everything in molbio. I have seen more talks and papers that rested…

Calls to mind Isaac Asimov's "shotgun curve". https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v056n06_...

That story reminds me of this gem: https://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~kovar/hall.html

Re: Fraud, so much fraud

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Post by gedy » Fri, Sep 27, 2024, 11:20 PM UTC

kenjackson wrote: post #465

tedk-42 wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The writers of these episodes were really on another level considering it was a cartoon. Lisa's first word is still a personal favourite of mine, especially now as a father.

What's her first word?