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Re: I Am Tired of AI

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I mean, Stablediffusion is right there, ready to be used to produce comically awful porn and so forth.

Do the latest models still give us people with a vagina dick?

I gather that such things are very customisable; there are whole communities building LoRAs so that you can have whatever genitals you want in your dreadful AI porn.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#472

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No, because we have seen massive improvements in AI over the last years, and all the evidence points to this progress continuing at a fast pace.

Extrapolation of past progress isn't evidence.

You don't have to extrapolate. There's a frenzy of talent being applied to this problem, it's drawing more brainpower the more progress that is made. Young people see this as one of the most interesting, prestigious, and best-paying fields to work in. A lot of these researchers are really talented, and are doing more than just scaling up. They're pushing at the frontiers in every direction, and finding methods that work. The progress is broadening; it's not just LLMs, it's diffusion models, it's SLAM, it's computer vision, it's inverse problems, it's locomotion. The tooling is constantly improving and being shared, lowering the barrier to entry. And classic "hard problems" are yielding in the process. It's getting hard to even find hard problems any more.

I'm not saying this as someone cheering this on; I'm alarmed by it. But I can't pretend that it's running out of steam. It's possible it will run out of money, but even if so, only for a while.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#473

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

What fascinates me about your comment is that you are expressing that you trusted what you read before. For me, LLMs don't change anything. I already questioned the information before and continue to do so. Why do you think that you could trust what you read before? Is it now harder for you to distinguish false information, and if so, why?

There was a degree of proof of work involved. Text took human effort to create, and this roughly constrained the quantity and quality of misinforming text to the number of humans with motive to expend sufficient effort to misinform. Now superficially indistinguishable text can be created by an investment in flops, which are fungible. This means that the constraint on the amount of misinforming text instead scales with whatever money is resourced to the task of generating misinforming text. If misinforming text can generate value for someone that can be translated back into money, the generation of misinforming text can be scaled to saturation and full extraction of that value.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#474

AI is not just GenAI, ML sits underneath it (supervised, unsupervised) and that has genuinely delivered value for the clients we service (financial tech) and in my normal life (e.g. photo search, screen grab to text, book recommendations). As for GenAI I keep going back to expectation management, its very unlikley to give you the exact answer you need (and if it does then well you job longetivity is questionable) but…

> ... its very unlikley to give you the exact answer you need (and if it does then well you job longetivity is questionable)

Experimenting with o1-preview, it quite often gives me the exact answer I need on the first try, and I'm 100% certain that my job longevity is questionable.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#475

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

To be honest I got sick of most new movies, TV shows, music even before AI so I will continue to consume media from pre 2010 until the day I die and will hope I don't get through it all.

Something happened around 2010 and it all got shit. I think everyone becoming massively online made global cultural output reduce in quality to meet the interests of most people and most people have terrible taste.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#476

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I'm tired of 3d TV - Someone in 2013 (3D TV, after a big push by the industry in 2010, peaked in 2013, going into a rapid decline with the last hardware being produced in 2016). Sometimes, the hyped thing doesn't catch on, even when the industry really, really wants it to.

AI isn’t 3D TV

Ah, but, at least for generative AI, that kind of remains to be seen, surely? For every hyped thing that actually is The Future (TM), there are about ten hyped things which turn out to be Not The Future due to practical issues, cost, pointlessness once the novelty wears off, overpromising, etc. At this point, LLMs feel like they're heading more in that direction.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#477

I am tired and hungry… The thing I’m tired of is elites stealing everything under the sun to feed these models. So funny that copyright is important when it protects elites but not when a billion thefts are committed by LLM folks. Poor incentives for creators to create stuff if it just gets stolen and replicated by AI. I’m hungry for more lawsuits. The biggest theft in human history by these gang of thieves should be…

Lawsuits based on what? Copyright? People crying for copyright in the context of AI training don't understand what copyright is, how it works and when it applies. What they think how copyright works: When you take someones work as inspiration then everything you produce form that counts as derivative work. How copyright actually works: The input is irrelevant, only the output matters. Thus derivative work is what exp…

> Lawsuits based on what? Copyright?

> People crying for copyright in the context of AI training don't understand what copyright is, how it works and when it applies.

People are complaining about what's happening, not with the exact wording of the law.

What they are doing probably isn't illegal, but it _should_ be. The problem is that it's very difficult for people to pass new legislation because they don't have lobbyists the way corporations do.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#478

The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die. It's not so much that I think people have used AI, but that I know they have with a high degree of certainty, and this certainty is converging to 100%, simply because there is no way it will not. If you write regularly and you're not using AI, you simply…

>The most depressing thing for me is the feeling that I simply cannot trust anything that has been written in the past 2 years or so and up until the day that I die Do you think AI has changed that in any way? I remember the sea of excrement overtaking genuine human written content on the Internet around mid 2010s. It is around that time when Google stopped pretending they are a search company and focused on their pr…

Google didn't change it, it embodied it. The problem isn't AI, it's the pervasive culture of PR and advertising which appeared in the 50s and eventually consumed its host.

Western industrial culture was based on substance - getting real shit done. There was always a lot of scammery around it, but the bedrock goal was to make physical things happen - build things, invent things, deliver things, innovate.

PR and ad culture was there to support that. The goal was to change values and behaviours to get people to Buy More Stuff. OK.

Then around the time the Internet arrived, industry was off-shored, and the culture started to become one of appearance and performance, not of substance and action.

SEO, adtech, social media, web framework soup, management fads - they're all about impression management and popularity games, not about underlying fundamentals.

This is very obvious on social media in the arts. The qualification for a creative career used to be substantial talent and ability. Now there are thousands of people making careers out of performing the lifestyle of being a creative person. Their ability to do the basics - draw, write, compose - is very limited. Worse, they lack the ability to imagine anything fresh or original - which is where the real substance is in art.

Worse than that, they don't know what they don't know, because they've been trained to be superficial in a superficial culture.

It's just as bad in engineering, where it has become more important to create the illusion of work being done, than to do the work. (Looking at you, Boeing. And also Agile...)

You literally make more money doing this. A lot more.

So AI isn't really a tool for creating substance. It's a tool for automating impression management. You can create the impression of getting a lot of work done. Or the impression of a well-written cover letter. Or of a genre novel, techno track, whatever.

AI might one day be a tool for creating substance. But at the moment it's reflecting and enabling a Potemkin busy-culture of recycled facades and appearances that has almost nothing real behind it.

Unfortunately it's quite good at that.

But the problem is the culture, not the technology. And it's been a problem for a long time.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#479

I am tired and hungry… The thing I’m tired of is elites stealing everything under the sun to feed these models. So funny that copyright is important when it protects elites but not when a billion thefts are committed by LLM folks. Poor incentives for creators to create stuff if it just gets stolen and replicated by AI. I’m hungry for more lawsuits. The biggest theft in human history by these gang of thieves should be…

We need a revolution.

Re: I Am Tired of AI

#480

I'm not tired, I'm afraid. First, I'm afraid of technological unemployment. In the past, automation meant that workers could move into non-automated jobs, if they were skilled enough. But superhuman AI seems now only few years away. It will be our last invention, it will mean total automation. There will be hardly any, if any, jobs left only a human can do. Many countries will likely move away from a job-based market…

>But superhuman AI seems now only few years away Seems unreasonable. You are afraid because marketing gurus like Altman made you believe that a frog that can make bigger leap than before will be able to fly.

Flying is a good analogy. Superman couldn't fly, but at some point when you can jump so far there isn't much of a difference
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