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10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by rayiner »

gottorf wrote: post #218
spamizbad wrote: post #212

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> History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups aren't able to integrate with the host society after multiple generations, and remain ghettoized with low employment and high crime rates (vastly higher, for certain categories of crime). I'm not sure that's true. For example, in the United States, it took numerous generations of German-Americans to fully integrate into society, with…

Different immigrant groups have better or worse outcomes, hence my saying "some immigrant groups". The cultural distance between the English progenitors of the US to the large wave of German immigrants in the 1800s is not as great as, say, that of Turkish immigrants to Germany post-WW2, or Syrian immigrants to contemporary Denmark. Another way to look at it is that immigrant groups bring parts of their old world with…

You can see this with Italian immigrants to America. I’m in New Jersey right now, and recently was in Wyoming. These are obviously not the same people despite being “white.” They’re more different than Pakistanis and Bangladeshis and we fought a war to be separate from each other.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by mattmaroon »

woodruffw wrote: post #463
diogenes_atx wrote: post #461

There is absolutely no doubt that the Cuban economy is suffering through a severe crisis. However, mass emigration offers some benefits to the Communist regime. Many of the migrants who work in the USA send money back to their families in Cuba in the form of remittances, which provide valuable foreign exchange reserves to help pay for essential imports. Moreover, emigration provides an escape for those people who mig…

Can you explain this? I'm pretty sure Cuban migrants to the US can't remit money to Cuba; that's one of the key points of the sanctions.

Ha. You should go to Cuba. They are as clever as any other group of humans and they all have family in Florida.

I’m sure you can’t just wire the money from a US bank to a Cuban one, but they surely have ways to do it. The island is full of stuff from America they aren’t supposed to have.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by margalabargala »

gwervc wrote: post #375
noduerme wrote: post #322

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> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

You may throw a Godwin point as introduction, it doesn't change the fact that some groups indeed doesn't integrate well into France. And this is despite billions of welfare money given for housing, free education, free access to health, etc. You mentioned Gypsies, well I read scholarly work stating that they were warmly welcomed 4 centuries ago in the towns of my region, until people discovered a tendency of their pu…

It sounds from your comment that you are from Europe, but if you visit the US, you should travel to the south, find some white conservatives, and discuss black people. They will make astonishingly similar points to the ones you brought up, you'll find you and they have a lot in common.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by noduerme »

golergka wrote: post #368
noduerme wrote: post #322

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> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

> You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? Which Jews? Ultraorthodox don't integrate very well in Israel, for instance.

The tendency of a subsection of orthodox Jews from one area of Eastern Europe to self-ghettoize is something of a red herring. In Western Europe, Jews were never truly integrated unless they converted. And even those who converted and their mixed race children were ultimately slaughtered for their ethnic background, giving lie to the notion that even a WWI veteran ex-Jew could become German.

The Haredi (ultraorthodox) movement itself is a reaction to urban Jews who wished to assimilate when such a thing became conceivable in the 19th C. And this is a ghetto mentality. In American terms, your question would be equivalent to "which Black people?" Implying that people who claim and cling to ghetto culture have a hard time integrating. But that 1. dismisses the role that ghettoization had on creating a subculture in the first place, and then 2. pretends the subculture itself is the reason for failure to integrate, i.e. that it's the cause rather than the effect, and 3. serves to allow and excuse and justify the mainstream of society projecting their negative perceptions of that subculture onto individual members of the same ethnic group who would like to integrate without completely renouncing their unique heritage. And in the Jewish case, even complete renunciation wasn't enough, so perhaps the ghetto culture had a point.

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by golemiprague »

labrador wrote: post #107

I support immigration and oppose the Republican anti-immigrant platform because it seems to me there is significant brain drain from many countries to the U.S. and that contributes to our success. For example, in this article is about white collar crime, it points out that many Somali-Americans were professionals back in Somalia. I'm not concerned about the crime because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency unt…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by margalabargala »

golergka wrote: post #368
noduerme wrote: post #322

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> various European nations [...] some immigrant groups American Jew here, who spent years living in France and Spain. I've heard the same polite euphemisms refering to Arabs and Gypsies from the mouths of members of the Front National. You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? It's…

> You know, before 1945 it was said in Europe that Jews weren't able to integrate fully with the host society. One might ask: Was that the Jews' fault? Or the host society's fault? Which Jews? Ultraorthodox don't integrate very well in Israel, for instance.

To antisemites, the type of Jew is not relevant.

I take your point though. Even nominally homgenous societies will stratify and have out-groups.

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Post by ericmcer »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #229
mensetmanusman wrote: post #214

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Republicans are strongly anti-illegal immigration, and that appears anti-immigration to some.

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So our immigration policy is you can either do all the work migrate legally or you can sneak in and we will legalize you. Congress should make that our official immigration policy?

Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by rayiner »

39896880 wrote: post #400
gottorf wrote: post #201

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> I'm not concerned about the crime You may not be concerned about the crime, but many voters are. The author of the article you linked to also exhorts the Somali immigrant community to not engage in crime. > because that seems like a somewhat higher tendency until the 2nd and 3rd generation is able to make it into established society. History and data from various European nations suggest that some immigrant groups…

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Re: 10% of Cubans left Cuba between 2022 and 2023

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Post by big_whack »

refurb wrote: post #451
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #229

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As someone who isn't American, the dialogue around immigration in the US seems so odd. I've lived in six different countries (including the US) and in every other country there is no discussion around illegal immigrants - they are deported. It's not even a political issue. Having secure borders is a norm. Then I get to the US and there is this weird political debate around it. For someone reason it's "bad" to refer t…

I don't really know much about India but they seem to have more illegal immigration than the US does and per https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50670393 seem like they have discussions about amnesty there too. My assumption would be that any regional economic power with long borders will struggle with illegal immigration.
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