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Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by nabla9 »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #452
nabla9 wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Top 6 science guys are long gone. Open AI is run by marketing, business, software and productization people. When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world, Microsoft eats whats left of them. They make lots of money, but don't have future unless they replace what they lost.

I don’t feel that OpenAI has a huge moat against say Anthropic. And I don’t know OpenAI needs Microsoft nearly as much as Microsoft needs OpenAI

There are no moats in deep learning, everything changes so fast.

They have the next iteration of GPT Sutskever helped to finalize. OpenAI lost it's future unless they find new same caliber people.

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Post by vintermann »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #446
OtomotO wrote: post #437

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I am sorry, there must be some hidden tech, some completely different attempt to speak about AGI. I really, really doubt that transformers will become AGI. Maybe I am wrong, I am no expert in this field, but I would love to understand the reasoning behind this "could arrive this year", because it reminds me about coldfusion :X edit: maybe the term has changed again. AGI to me means truly understanding, maybe even som…

No I’m with you on this. Next token prediction does lead to impressive emergent phenomena. But what makes people people is an internal drive to attend to our needs, and an LLM exists without that. A real AGI should be something you can drop in to a humanoid robot and it would basically live as an individual, learning from every moment and every day, growing and changing with time. LLMs can’t even count the number of…

From that AGI definition, AGI is probably quite possible and reachable - but also something pointless which there are no good reasons to "use", and many good reasons not to.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by vintermann »

vasco wrote: post #406
saithound wrote: post #394

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Maybe the majority of Canadians think that having great higher education institutions and thr people who work in them is a good fit for their way of life, but having Silicon Valley companies and people making SV salaries around epuld make their lives worse? If so, this is great: Canadians don't want to live with the tech crowd, so they provide them with the skills so they can move elsewhere, make their dreams come tu…

That makes zero sense, governments invest in education to improve their own country, not to train other countries work forces. If you read anything about Canada ever you will also know they have a bunch of policies to try and stop the brain drain and to recruit tech workers from abroad.

It's not as if Canada doesn't benefit from machine learning advances. It just doesn't by having many ML start-ups as a tax base.

Canada's skilled immigration policy is a train wreck, but that's another issue.

Re: Ilya Sutskever to leave OpenAI

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Post by debatem1 »

vintermann wrote: post #469
ascorbic wrote: post #410

Jan Leike has said he's leaving too https://twitter.com/janleike/status/1790603862132596961

The guy with the "Bad universal priors and notions of optimality", which did to Hutter's MIRI program what Gödel did to Hilbert's program.

Any chance you can eli5? I'm familiar with the Godel/Hilbert side but not the relationship to these developments.

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Post by unraveller »

darkerside wrote: post #304

Making sure generalized AI benefits everybody is the new Don't Be Evil

"We want to put AI in your hands"

to keep??

NO! whatever gave you that idea, evil doer...

Open AI, as in, open your hands and beg for another hit of AI through thick rubber gloves and plexiglass.

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Post by albertzeyer »

zoogeny wrote: post #362

Interesting, both Karpathy and Sutskever are gone from OpenAI now. Looks like it is now the Sam Altman and Greg Brockman show. I have to admit, of the four, Karpathy and Sutskever were the two I was most impressed with. I hope he goes on to do something great.

Greg Brockman is a very good engineer. And that's maybe even more important in the current situation.

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Post by ralfd »

nabla9 wrote: post #447
zoogeny wrote: post #362

Interesting, both Karpathy and Sutskever are gone from OpenAI now. Looks like it is now the Sam Altman and Greg Brockman show. I have to admit, of the four, Karpathy and Sutskever were the two I was most impressed with. I hope he goes on to do something great.

Top 6 science guys are long gone. Open AI is run by marketing, business, software and productization people. When the next wave of new deep learning innovations sweeps the world, Microsoft eats whats left of them. They make lots of money, but don't have future unless they replace what they lost.

How important are top science guys though? OpenAI has a thousand employees and almost unlimited money, and llm are better understood, I would guess continous development will beat singular genius heroes?
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