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Post by LordShredda »

wvenable wrote: post #276
mrguyorama wrote: post #257

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>I'm not sure if there's technical reasons for it, but it feels like nobody is taking VR development seriously. The "technical" reason for it is very very very simple: Nearly no video games are actually improved by "increased immersion" to an extreme. Chess won't be more fun because you have to physically move digital chess pieces around a virtual board, people playing Call of Duty do not want to physically move thei…

Where VR shines, in my opinion, is in fitness. Where the goal is ultimately to move around in a gamified way. That's effectively how I use my Quest 2 and I'm not alone. Recently I've been trying to increase my table tennis skills.

But why does it need a heavy screen attached to your head? Just get some shorts and go outside, and if you can afford a quest 2 then surely you can afford a tennis table

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Post by gorbypark »

_akhe wrote: post #440

Meta is smartly capturing the MR developer market like they captured the web developer market with React. In terms of Vision vs Quest - I wonder if there will be a "React Native" parallel that allows developers to write React for both Vision and Quest apps. A lot of the developer market comes down to languages: Python for AI/ML, Obj-C (Swift) for iOS, Java (Kotlin) for Android - but JavaScript always seems to weasle…

There is react native for VisionOS already and the react team has hinted at react native for Quests/VR in the past..

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Post by williamcotton »

theptip wrote: post #358
distortedsignal wrote: post #342

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The low end of the market is taken - but (from an outsider perspective) the high end appears free. The people who want to buy a Honda aren't the same people who want to buy an Acura, even though it's (essentially) the same parts. Let's say that, tomorrow, Gucci or Dolce and Gabanna (or however you spell that) want to make a VR headset (why? who knows?). They don't have the tech acumen to compete with Facebook on expe…

Don’t agree with this take. I’m sure Meta would be fine with other vendors taking over the low-end, if that meant there was a vibrant platform they controlled (ie the OS). They will lead with flagship models to push the boundaries of what the OS/tech can do. Why would they want to sell at/below cost forever? The reason they do this now is to make the platform viable. The only reason they are focusing on cheaper devic…

Don’t agree with this take.

Is this a command or an opinion that left out the subject of the sentence?

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Post by hadlock »

bsharper wrote: post #210
samspenc wrote: post #152

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Like other comments have pointed out, I think of this as similar to how Google controls the Android OS. While theoretically open, the real useful stuff on top of Android (Google services etc) require a license from Google along with their Play store, so Google makes revenue from there. Certainly more open (edited) than the Apple ecosystem, but still controlled by one (big) player, with a little bit of flexibility but…

Amazon used AOSP to create tons of their products. Even if most Android devices have the Play Store, there are successful variants that don't. And I'd even include Meta's Quest line here: every headset since the Go has the ability to sideload apks using standard Android tools.

My quest (1) I bought on launch day got an OS update and now I have to find my old credentials to log in (and thus accept some (probably) draconian EULA, just to enable developer mode to side load apps on there. You can't just plug a USB stick in the side and copy paste them to "side_loaded_apps" dir it's still a ridiculous task of doing backflips through flaming hoops to use it as an open device. And it may yet again reset my login.

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Post by _giorgio_ »

pavlov wrote: post #145

Shades of Apple licensing the Mac OS to clone hardware vendors in 1995 - 1997. It seems like Meta will be controlling the software experience quite closely, just like Apple did back in the day. There’s an important difference though: Apple made all their money on Mac hardware margins which the nimble clone vendors could undercut. Whereas for Meta, the Quest hardware has always been sold at breakeven or even as a loss…

Why should it be different than Google and Android?

Google makes medium and high cost devices, but actually doesn't compete too much on margins.

If the OS catches up, meta will do the same move, allowing other vendors to proliferate.

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Post by woopsn »

numpad0 wrote: post #469
woopsn wrote: post #236

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People seem to think I have trouble understanding what the terms refer to. That's not my point -- you're right in that they are not complex. But why is virtual reality associated with small screens and head tracking? Why wasn't Everquest on a CRT "virtual reality"? A lot of software calculates probabilities over some distribution, why isn't all that "artificial intelligence"? Why isn't my Subaru's cruise control and…

Why is a laptop not desktop? Aren't GNU/Linux desktop OS? Why is Android a phone OS? I thought it was supposed to be a camera firmware GUI toolkit?

I'm not concerned about trademarks. I'm concerned about what isn't trademarked -- language which instead we are all supposed to adopt and throw around as much as possible. As I said: * reality, AI, cloud, etc.

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Post by chaostheory »

int_19h wrote: post #407
bsimpson wrote: post #319

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I think you're overindexing on "2D." The Play store is full of flat apps, designed for phones and tablets. There are a gajillion of them, and FB wants them in their headsets. It's not about not wanting competition - it's about wanting people to have more than 100 apps available when they use a Meta headset.

But why would I as a user want to use those flat apps in VR, when I already have a phone and a tablet?

Have you seen the Apple Vision demo(s)? Now imagine being able to have wall sized versions of Android apps like Netflix or even word processing apps like Google Docs.
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