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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by jamwil »

subzidion wrote: post #52

There's been discussions where the "next" airport should go in the Seattle region, and the consensus is that nobody wants it. The State Legislature created a commission to try and identify some potential sites, but the public backlash was so great that they ended up submitting it's final report with no actual recommendation. One of the interesting ideas (that was proposed even back when SEA was adding it's third runw…

Sure would be nice to just pop out to the Gorge for an afternoon of music though!

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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balderdash wrote: post #358

I would be pretty upset if all of a sudden my house was under the flight path of a new airport (and the associated economic consequences) but I always find it surprising how annoyed people get that put a house near an airport and then complain about it, where one of my parents lives there is a small but fairly busy private airport that has been there close to a hundred years, so almost no one that lives by it now can…

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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by pavel_lishin »

ghaff wrote: post #402
adhvaryu wrote: post #338

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I went digging out of curiosity, and it seems you are correct. According to this article [1], around 80 of the top 100 airports have rapid transit connections. [1] https://www.ptua.org.au/2015/10/29/busiest-airports-rail/

Even in the US, there are increasingly transit options. Oddly enough, there are sorta options in NYC but they aren't the greatest.

What do you mean, you don't love taking the airtrain to the bus to the subway to your destination?

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Post by lukan »

nox101 wrote: post #448
jen729w wrote: post #432

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I used to live above a Japanese bar in the centre of Melbourne, Australia. It was a busy street in a busy part of town. (Robot, for the locals.) Of course this place was sold, both to renters and buyers, as ‘hip’, it was ‘the inner-city lifestyle’, it was ‘everything on your doorstep’. And yet the neighbours. My god what cretins. Noise! On a weekend! They couldn’t bear it. I think it should be flat-out forbidden to c…

I wonder if landlords should be required to disclose noise sources. As a renter there's no easy way for you to know that every Friday night the bar a block away has music so loud you can hear it in your apartment til 2am or that a band practices at the school down the street etc... You generally have about 5 minutes too look around a apartment and a few more to look around the neighborhood and then sign a contract fo…

"maybe this is only a problem in expensive cities like SF/NYC/LA where when you find a place you have to take it immediately nor lose it to the line of people ready to rent"

This. Everywhere else people usually can and do take the time to explore the area of the potential new home.

"I wonder if landlords should be required to disclose noise sources."

Maybe, but maybe they also don't know about those school band practices, so how to enforce it, but in general there are noise maps.

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paulddraper wrote: post #450
fsckboy wrote: post #341

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that article says that what he refers to as his ancestral lands have been farmed by his family for only a 100 years. hard for me to get worked up about such a short time

What would you consider a medium amount of time? Also https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/cf343b06-f4a8-46fc-b124-1c61392...

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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by johndunne »

pbsladek wrote: post #113
po wrote: post #30

If you fly into Tokyo you might come in via Narita Airport (NRT) which is actually quite a distance out from tokyo. Violence is extremely uncommon in modern Japan but NRT was the site of violent resistance over several decades. Opposition forces killed several police officers, rioted on several occasions and constructed a giant 200 ft tower to interfere with test flights. Hundreds of acts of vandalism have occurred o…

If flying into NRT and on the way to Tokyo, ~$200ish for the taxi ride. Ooops.

My wife and I landed in NRT a couple months ago and had a taxi leave us high and dry. We had to book a taxi there and then and it cost $450 to Tokyo in a standard taxi. The pre booked taxi that left us H&M was $200.

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Post by wodenokoto »

ruszki wrote: post #147
pbsladek wrote: post #113

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If flying into NRT and on the way to Tokyo, ~$200ish for the taxi ride. Ooops.

Taxi is not the main way to leave airports in large part of the world.

It’s still a long time to get into Tokyo and even then you might be far from where you want to go. As far as I remember the rapid line from Marita only stops at shinjuku and Tokyo station.

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Post by lukan »

acchow wrote: post #326
treflop wrote: post #268

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Japan is well known for violent political clashes. There is still a very obvious house in the middle of Narita Airport that you can see when flying in or out. There are roads to it underneath the airport.

This is shocking to me https://www.cbsnews.com/news/narita-airport-farm-takao-shito... "The best outcome would be for the airport to shut down," he said. "But what's important is to keep farming my ancestral land." I imagine most countries would just use eminent domain?

"I imagine most countries would just use eminent domain"

Japan also did it in this case in general, but not everywhere. Because having a law and enforcing a law is not the same - because there was determined resistance of all kinds. And by law they could have also expropriated that land, but that would have sparked more violent opposition. Apparently letting this farm as it is, was one of the compromises to have the airport at all, without riot police guarding it 24/7.

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Post by lukan »

dml2135 wrote: post #380
newhotelowner wrote: post #255

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I don't think you ever traveled international or your plane got delayed or cancelled. I don't want to carry 4 big bags in the train when I travel international I don't want to travel 30 miles if my plane get cancelled.

I realize not everyone can just pack a carry-on, but as one of those types, traveling with "4 big bags" anywhere just seems insane to me. What do you bring that takes up so much space?

Things for the family maybe?

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Post by _v7gu »

busterarm wrote: post #445
_v7gu wrote: post #353

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Not even that, Istanbul airport is in the top 10 too. Maybe he meant EU? But that’s not really Europe as a whole

Only half of Istanbul is in Europe (yes, the side with the Airport) and the other half and the rest of the country is Anatolia/Asia Minor. Turkey has many of the political markers of being in Europe but is really a unique situation and its leaders like to take the best of being European and not-European where it suits them. Do most people consider it a European country? Doubtful. I've never known any Turks who consid…

What political markers? IST is in Europe, and SAW is not. We are talking about airports in continents.
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