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I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by weatherlite »

CalRobert wrote: post #425
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

Similar, though leaving the US had a lot to do with hedging our bets against a crumbling democracy as well. How is Finland? It was on our list but we wanted to have good train connections to the continent so ended up in the Netherlands (but above sea level). Oulu has impressive winter cycling though.

Whatever bothered you about US politics is also happening in Europe. There's no Trump, he's one of a kind, but there's polarization, distrust in institutions and populism just fine. It's the same disease really.

Also - I can't imagine North Europe will remain prosperous if America somehow fails, the West is very much dependent on the U.S (now also for energy). But I do hope you enjoy your time, I lived in Leiden for almost 4 years and it was like living in a postcard. Shit weather though.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by perlgeek »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

You never worried particularly, but enough to move to a different country? That sounds contradictory to me.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by alexvoda »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #302
alexvoda wrote: post #140

@dang Is it just my impression that HN is drifting rigtwards on this topic? I remember HN being more in favour of proactive action against anthropic climate change. This thread feels dominated by attitudes reflecting inaction.

And what if?? Why are you @-ing dang as if his job is to maintain some kind of particular consensus in order to ... idk, support some kind of political narrative? Hah!

Because he moderates this place and therefore is orders of magnitudes more knowledgeable about trends on HN. Next in line are people scraping and researching HN.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by Unfrozen0688 »

weatherlite wrote: post #418
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

If shit hits the fan everywhere else but North Europe remains safe - will it be business as usual there? Won't hundreds of millions of people (or more) from India, China and Africa flee to to wherever is safe?

We will close the border, and kill them. :)

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by specialist »

slibhb wrote: post #398
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #145

I no longer worry. I'm extremely pessimistic about the impending climate change. I believe Sabine isn't pessimistic enough about what to anticipate. Consider the tundra methane emissions and the explosive release of methane-hydrates from the oceans, along with water vapor, a potent greenhouse gas. The disaster looming over all ecosystems (a mass extinction event) that will happen in decades and the doom-phase could l…

The IPCC 6 says "It is very unlikely that gas clathrates (mostly methane) in deeper terrestrial permafrost and subsea clathrates will lead to a detectable departure from the emissions trajectory during this century". Your pessimism may be trendy but it isn't supported by the bear available evidence.

Now refute ocean acidification and burning forests.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by Unfrozen0688 »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

Sweden here, welcome! We need more of your kind of immigrant for sure! Working is number 1, willing to take part, and learning the culture.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by weatherlite »

Unfrozen0688 wrote: post #475
weatherlite wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If shit hits the fan everywhere else but North Europe remains safe - will it be business as usual there? Won't hundreds of millions of people (or more) from India, China and Africa flee to to wherever is safe?

We will close the border, and kill them. :)

What will you fire on them, polar bears ? If the Indians come to realize India is no longer habitable you better make room.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by askonomm »

hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #455
CalRobert wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similar, though leaving the US had a lot to do with hedging our bets against a crumbling democracy as well. How is Finland? It was on our list but we wanted to have good train connections to the continent so ended up in the Netherlands (but above sea level). Oulu has impressive winter cycling though.

I lived in Oulu for a time, and yes it does indeed live up to its winter cycling reputation. Actually most of my wife's family lives around that region, so we'll probably return up there in a few years. Finland is terrific! Learning the language is tough, and recommended, but ultimately optional for white collar migrants. The lower salaries here are unfortunate - I make a third of what I could make as a software lead…

Salary comparisons without accounting for cost of living is entirely useless and means nothing.

Re: I used to not worry about climate change. Now I do [video]

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Post by throw_pm23 »

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #435
hiAndrewQuinn wrote: post #328

I never worried particularly much about climate change, but just to hedge my bets for my kids I moved to northern Europe. For the most part it's just equated to milder (= bearable) Winters and nicer summers up here. I guess we also spend a fair bit on moving to renewables up here - Finland achieved energy self sufficiency last year thanks to a good combination of nuclear + solar + hydro. If I were an ideologue in eit…

Finland has a nasty neighbor.

Please don't talk like that about Sweden. They are bad, but don't quite deserve this.
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