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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by jredwards »

sfjailbird wrote: post #221
seanieb wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies…

I rented a model 3 yesterday. I generally like the car, but the autopilot* was indeed a big letdown. It would exit cruise control/lane keeping mode occasionally due to 'system error'. This precipitated a DEFCON 5 type emergency with visual and audible alerts, not to mention sudden drop in speed and loss of automatic steering. Even when it runs nominally, it prompts you every 20 seconds or so to apply turning force to…

Pro-tip: rolling either of the thumb wheels counts as input. You don't have to turn the wheel.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

Closi wrote: post #397
gonzo41 wrote: post #374

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Honestly, That's not good enough. In the car world you can recruit car engineers to fix simple car production problems. Objectively most of Tesla's issues are due to the poor fit and finish of the cabin and general fitment of things together. IF you ignore the whole electric engine and just treat it like and ice vehicle, Telsa should just be building on the knowledge of others and hiring Toyota engineers to help the…

Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge. Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't eas…

> > If you think

Consumers pay money in order not to think. The thinking has to be done by the organization who takes their money.

In Tesla's case particularly given that there is some Stockholm sydrome, Heaven's Gate type thing going on between Tesla and their customers.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by dotancohen »

ttfkam wrote: post #401
jabradoodle wrote: post #330

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They did nothing great apart, from being the first new car startup in the US in more than 100 years, with an entirely new business model. OPs point had nothing to do with wether the government subsidised EVs or not.

More than 100 years? Are you SURE about that?

The first one to not fail. All extant US automakers have been in business for over a century.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

mattmaroon wrote: post #465
Closi wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tesla produced the same number of cars in 2022 as they did in all years combined from 2012-2020. If you think it's easy to just stand up that level of production capacity, and that they are actually they are just ignoring simple production problems, then you are underestimating the challenge. Things like panel gaps are not necessarily easy fixes - i.e. what if you know the solution to a 1mm improvement, but can't eas…

People don’t realize that even corporations have budgets and have to choose what to invest in. It’s not as if TSLA is paying dividends. All of the money that comes in goes to somewhere. They chose to invest in certain things (sales, manufacturing ramp up, pickup and semi development, charger network, driverless development etc.) and not in others (panel gaps, fit and finish, etc.) Easy to decide you disagree but it i…

> > Easy to decide you disagree but it is working for them.

Corporations wins are customers losses.

In Tesla case even more considering they are literally re-inventing the wheel for political purposes so the whole effort is even more ridiculous.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by myko »

sfjailbird wrote: post #221
seanieb wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies…

I rented a model 3 yesterday. I generally like the car, but the autopilot* was indeed a big letdown. It would exit cruise control/lane keeping mode occasionally due to 'system error'. This precipitated a DEFCON 5 type emergency with visual and audible alerts, not to mention sudden drop in speed and loss of automatic steering. Even when it runs nominally, it prompts you every 20 seconds or so to apply turning force to…

> Even when it runs nominally, it prompts you every 20 seconds or so to apply turning force to the wheel (counterintuitively, as you want to go straight in the lane)

This is a huge issue with Tesla's system, they were too cheap to actually detect hands on the wheel and instead train you to exert undue force on the wheel which can lead to steering incorrectly. The timing for the system is haphazard at best and often dings you for not having hands on the wheel when you do, but you were too busy driving to pay attention to the prompts.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by myko »

jredwards wrote: post #471
sfjailbird wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I rented a model 3 yesterday. I generally like the car, but the autopilot* was indeed a big letdown. It would exit cruise control/lane keeping mode occasionally due to 'system error'. This precipitated a DEFCON 5 type emergency with visual and audible alerts, not to mention sudden drop in speed and loss of automatic steering. Even when it runs nominally, it prompts you every 20 seconds or so to apply turning force to…

Pro-tip: rolling either of the thumb wheels counts as input. You don't have to turn the wheel.

I didn't realize that - will have to try in the future

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by secabeen »

arpinum wrote: post #165
zuhsetaqi wrote: post #160

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And this is about inspection interval.

And my claim is that during a yearly maintenance any faults are found and corrected before the HU inspection. If you don't have a yearly maintenance then you have a longer time period for faults to develop. Or for items to expire, like a first aid kit.

Not German, but I do wonder if it's common to schedule your oil change and other maintenance just before your state inspection. I would certainly do that; get the dealer to fix all pending issues and get the car into tip-top shape just before a mandatory inspection. If this is the case, you would expect more problems with Tesla, as there isn't a dealer mechanic minimizing issues just before inspection.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by buffington »

idontknowifican wrote: post #340
LightBug1 wrote: post #297

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Subjective. I feel completely the opposite about them when I've driven them. Impressive technology, and admirable strides towards their mission, impressive engineers ... but with many failing: FSD, repairability, boring drive-feedback, insurance pricing, focus on speed over alsmost everything, manufacturing quality both inside and outside, and the design language of a taxi-cab to top it all off ... only the S can be…

the ride is so numb. i am convinced it is on purpose frankly

I'm curious what model you drove that led you to that opinion. I drive an AWD Model 3, but also drive a 2006 Subaru STI on the track. The STI doesn't have the original suspension (which wasn't bad, just wore out eventually) - now it has stiffer, much sportier, suspension for track racing.

All that said, I think the Model 3 feels remarkably sporty for how heavy it is. You can feel that weight in corners for sure, but I'd hardly call the ride "numb". I can't accelerate entirely through a typical corner like I can with the STI, but once the weight settles, and you're coming out of a corner, you can make up whatever was lost when scrubbing speed with instant torque. I think because of that, it feels far more like my STI than most all other cars I've driven.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by Nextgrid »

andsoitis wrote: post #363
idontknowifican wrote: post #336

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tesla is a startup because it allows less strict oversight from the public. “startup” seems to now simply mean “burn cash until market dominance” or “regulations have mot caught up to our industry”. it is not an actual startup, just a court of public opinion one, allowing it to do shady shit under the guise of progress at any cost

> tesla is a startup because it allows less strict oversight from the public. Tesla is a publicly traded company, subject to all the rules and regulations of the territories it operates in.

Rules are only as good as their enforcement and it turns out said enforcement is lacking in a lot of areas.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by JumpinJack_Cash »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142
bayindirh wrote: post #130

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> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

> > America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport

And that is good news because? So that 100 year from now the avg temperature would be 0.005C less because we'd have substitued the black pollutant produced by Arabs with Star and Stipes Lithium (or lithium which comes from countries that are in the sphere of influence of the US)

This effort is a spit in the face of people who are alive and have big problems right now, that's the reason why they are engaging in rolling coal as a form of protest against this nonsense.

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