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Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by flappyeagle »

api wrote: post #363
Goronmon wrote: post #301

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Maybe what they are feeling is a deep unconscious unease at the realisation that the cancellation culture the leftists have bought to life is bad karma. What goes around comes around. This is definitely one of the more interesting fantasies the right enjoys portraying, for sure. Part of standard playbook at this point it's becoming hard to treat these type of comments as organic.

The fantasy is that “cancel culture” is a thing unique to the left, or that it’s somehow new. Bud Light got cancelled for giving one can of beer to one trans influencer for a social media spot. I’m old enough to remember the Dixie Chicks getting cancelled for opposing Bush and the Iraq War.

I’m old enough to remember leftists defending the spirit of freedom of speech, with respect to the Dixie chicks

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by mcphage »

randomdata wrote: post #364
mcphage wrote: post #102

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> a lot of the people I followed on X no longer post there. Their loss, not mine. Nothing changed except everyone is allowed to use the megaphone now. That's a weird take. The people whose posts you wanted to read no longer post on X, but also nothing has changed? It would seem you're describing a personally significant change right there .

> The people whose posts you wanted to read no longer post on X, but also nothing has changed? ' He is saying that there was no meaningful change to the Twitter software that would diminish previous value found in posting on Twitter. You post your dumb quip and it shows up in other people's feeds just as it did before Musk.

> there was no meaningful change to the Twitter software

Social networks are more about the people in the community than the technical specifics. I didn't join twitter because they had an amazing way to input 140 characters, I joined because there were people I liked there.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by cobertos »

wernercd wrote: post #270
cobertos wrote: post #260

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But those "someone else's servers" aren't always commercial. Communities run on sweat/passion and donations feel a lot different than those that make their money more commercially. It's not always so black and white either, more of a spectrum.

Eh... the issue I have with that is a few dozen communities run on Patreon or what have you won't offset the gorillas in the room (Youtube, TikTok, discord, etc). I think "we have no clue what's going on online" is never been more true as actions like cancel culture have moved huge swaths of people off of the big guys and created other areas like Rumble - and the smaller alternatives. but to think that these smaller…

I think it's true they won't offset the large platforms, but I also don't think those communities are rare. I too use Discord and YouTube (begrudgingly), but I also use IRC, wikis, and old school forums. There's also Matrix, mastodon, lemmy, mailing lists, heck even usenet. But what's rare probably stems from us being in different communities?

My opinion is that the communities I've found the most fulfillment/happiness in have are not funded primarily as a commercial operation. Sometimes they are related to commercial things (fandoms, user groups), but the community itself is not trying to sell itself, its users, its data, etc. My opinion is that it would be better for all internet-based communities if there were lower-friction ways to start an online community without giving yourself up to commercialization of a platform. Through the many layers of tech that would require changing/tweaking to fix this. All the way down from network layer DDoS mitigation to application layer maintenance and hosting.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by digging »

latency-guy2 wrote: post #241
digging wrote: post #119

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> The oxymoronic style of this sentence reflects why I now ignore reading the Atlantic. Clearly it cannot be true, yet they claim it is to continue their narrative. Not going to try to convince you to read The Atlantic, but the issue here is entirely on your end. They are not literally claiming that nobody has heard of the show. They are employing hyperbole.

> They are employing hyperbole. So its not an issue entirely on one end, its a deliberate action designed to make people feel one way, but falls apart under analysis.

No. Apologies if you aren't familiar with hyperbole, but it's very common. I might even say everyone does it all the time.

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Post by pzmarzly »

ryandrake wrote: post #325
kredd wrote: post #278

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The problem I notice is even though we might create niche interest groups online, they're hard to translate into real life. Makes it hard to connect with others when you meet them for drinks, find a movie to watch or some other sort of entertainment. I feel very lucky I was already out of university by the time algo-feeds became mainstream, otherwise it would be hard to chat about "latest episode of Game of Thrones".…

20 years ago, we’d talk each Monday about this week’s Simpson or X-Files, and we knew that 95-100% of the people in our group watched it on Sunday. We don’t have that today. I think Sportsball news is the last vestige of “shared culture” you can talk about over beer after work and be reasonably confident 30% or so of your mates can follow along. It’s so weird. 10 people who work together, around the same age, same so…

I knew a lot of people who got into Ancient Aliens craze (paradocumental series on History Channel). Every week they would meet up and talk about whatever conspiracy they aired that week.

I was so glad to be missing out.

Sure, it's just an anecdote, no perhaps I was unlucky, but I want to show that it's not always a positive thing to have this "shared culture" that you speak of.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by randomdata »

mcphage wrote: post #472
randomdata wrote: post #364

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> The people whose posts you wanted to read no longer post on X, but also nothing has changed? ' He is saying that there was no meaningful change to the Twitter software that would diminish previous value found in posting on Twitter. You post your dumb quip and it shows up in other people's feeds just as it did before Musk.

> there was no meaningful change to the Twitter software Social networks are more about the people in the community than the technical specifics. I didn't join twitter because they had an amazing way to input 140 characters, I joined because there were people I liked there.

Yes, that's what the rest of the comment says – that the people left due to a change in the social dynamic.

What's with all the replying without reading going on around here lately? Another Reddit boycott going on?

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by Always_Anon »

tayo42 wrote: post #452
Always_Anon wrote: post #379

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"Satire is a genre of the visual, literary, and performing arts, usually in the form of fiction and less frequently non-fiction, in which vices, follies, abuses, and shortcomings are held up to ridicule, often with the intent of exposing or shaming the perceived flaws of individuals, corporations, government, or society itself into improvement." [0] [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satire Considering the thousands…

I would be pretty surprised if it was being that clever. Im pretty sure it's referencing conspiracy theories about the Clinton's hiring hitmen and related ideas.

>I would be pretty surprised if it was being that clever.

"I would be pretty surprised if a website known for clever wit and satire was being clever."

Even if it's referencing conspiracy theories, it's still satire. Congrats, you played yourself.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by Robotbeat »

ruszki wrote: post #419
Robotbeat wrote: post #271

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20 years ago, when I was right-wing myself (in College Republicans, etc), the AM radio I listened to and people I talked to all thought NYT was very left-wing ("liberal").

Liberalism wasn’t a question of left or right 10+ years ago.

I don’t know what you mean. “Liberal” was in scare-quotes because that’s just the word that rightwing talk radio used to describe anyone on the left (or even center), and they said the word with disgust.

Yes, I know libertarians call themselves “classical liberals” and the left uses “neoliberal” as a similar epithet for anyone more centrist than themselves, but that was the connotation of the word.

Re: Nobody knows what's happening online anymore

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Post by mcphage »

randomdata wrote: post #476
mcphage wrote: post #472

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> there was no meaningful change to the Twitter software Social networks are more about the people in the community than the technical specifics. I didn't join twitter because they had an amazing way to input 140 characters, I joined because there were people I liked there.

Yes, that's what the rest of the comment says – that the people left due to a change in the social dynamic. What's with all the replying without reading going on around here lately? Another Reddit boycott going on?

> Yes, that's what the rest of the comment says – that the people left due to a change in the social dynamic.

The comment: "The people you - whoever you is reading this - just don't post there any longer because Elon took away their toys and they can't stand it."

> What's with all the replying without reading going on around here lately?

I dunno, you tell me.

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